I agree with this comp. That being said, Dadanov is well worth 4M AAV.
- bikeguy99

Agreed. Gusev at 4m is a great deal. The Shipachyov situation and how Vegas mishandled him has nothing to do with Gusev.

Dawes Nigel...c'mon man. That's Kazakhstan's Best Player.

The 1st should be available so long as it nets an upgrade that's locked up long term. Time to stop wussy-footing around; we talk a big game about how Holland "needs to improve the roster or Connor is gonna leave" but every July like clockwork it's "can't trade the 1st because it'll be high". Sucks to the high pick! It'll be a lot less high if we add a guy like Ehlers to the roster.

It's fine if your argument is that you don't trust any Oilers management to get that kind of value out of a trade involving the pick. I get that. But outright rejecting the idea of trading it? Nah, (frank) that noise.

The 1st should be available so long as it nets an upgrade that's locked up long term. Time to stop wussy-footing around; we talk a big game about how Holland "needs to improve the roster or Connor is gonna leave" but every July like clockwork it's "can't trade the 1st because it'll be high". Sucks to the high pick! It'll be a lot less high if we add a guy like Ehlers to the roster.

It's fine if your argument is that you don't trust any Oilers management to get that kind of value out of a trade involving the pick. I get that. But outright rejecting the idea of trading it? Nah, (frank) that noise.
- MaximumBone

A first for someone proven is one thing....you know what you are getting but a potential lotto first for a guy who doesn’t have a large NHL sample size is a risk and it’s a big one....if it back fires then all of those “yay trade it” people all of a sudden become the ones who claim we shouldn’t trade it.....they want to trade it then fine do it but do it for a known and not a unknown

Also for those who want Maroon back that’s hypocritical don’t you think? female dog at Katz for being sentimental towards old players but when Maroon is out there we should sign him? Nope nothing wrong with this logic

Pass...a first rounder or a top prospect is too much to pay for the unknown...he could score 70 but more likely gets bounced around in the nhl and ends up with 15...if he was a free pickup like koskinen or nygaard then diff story.

A first for someone proven is one thing....you know what you are getting but a potential lotto first for a guy who doesn’t have a large NHL sample size is a risk and it’s a big one....if it back fires then all of those “yay trade it” people all of a sudden become the ones who claim we shouldn’t trade it.....they want to trade it then fine do it but do it for a known and not a unknown
- RatedR80

Sure, it shouldn't be in play for Gusev but the original comment said it should be borderline untouchable and for me that's begging for the big 3 to bail in my opinion.

Pass...a first rounder or a top prospect is too much to pay for the unknown...he could score 70 but more likely gets bounced around in the nhl and ends up with 15...if he was a free pickup like koskinen or nygaard then diff story.
- oil90

Lol wut

dont you feel 3-5 m is a little pricey for fleury sized poop that hasnt laced up in a nhl game?
- herecomesGUMP

If you take the high end of both my $ and term then yeah it is pricey. But I'd do 5M x 1 yr, 4-4.5 x 2 yr or 3-3.5 x 3 yr.

Considering the relatively low $ and term for where he'd be expected to slot into the lineup I'd say it's risky but not that risky. Giving up the 2020 first is what real risk looks like.

Sure, it shouldn't be in play for Gusev but the original comment said it should be borderline untouchable and for me that's begging for the big 3 to bail in my opinion.
- MaximumBone

In fact I’ll even say our 1st should be in play in a potential trade....you gotta do something now in order to convince certain guys that staying in Edmonton is a good thing.....I think I have 3 maybe 4 guys as “untouchable” the rest I would move if it helped now

Agreed. Gusev at 4m is a great deal. The Shipachyov situation and how Vegas mishandled him has nothing to do with Gusev.
- Feds91Stammer

Lol WUT...

Bruh Kucherov was 18 and 19 in the KHL
- Feds91Stammer

Lol WUT WUT...

A first for someone proven is one thing....you know what you are getting but a potential lotto first for a guy who doesn’t have a large NHL sample size is a risk and it’s a big one....if it back fires then all of those “yay trade it” people all of a sudden become the ones who claim we shouldn’t trade it.....they want to trade it then fine do it but do it for a known and not a unknown
- RatedR80

Exactly this. I for one am glad we don't have a GM doing a Griffin Reinhart 2.0.

If you want to be silly, of course there are plenty of proven NHL players I'd trade the 1st for but we aren't talking about those players, we are talking about Gusev and the main point is I would not give Vegas a likely top 10 pick for him.

i think the current situation and McDavids parallel what Yzerman went through. Also, Yzerman was 10+ seasons in before he won, and he won 3!

Exactly this. I for one am glad we don't have a GM doing a Griffin Reinhart 2.0.

If you want to be silly, of course there are plenty of proven NHL players I'd trade the 1st for but we aren't talking about those players, we are talking about Gusev and the main point is I would not give Vegas a likely top 10 pick for him.
- RonPielep

This team simply isn’t good enough to risk a 1st for him....now if a winning team with a clue were to do it then fine....we aren’t that team

The 1st should be available so long as it nets an upgrade that's locked up long term. Time to stop wussy-footing around; we talk a big game about how Holland "needs to improve the roster or Connor is gonna leave" but every July like clockwork it's "can't trade the 1st because it'll be high". Sucks to the high pick! It'll be a lot less high if we add a guy like Ehlers to the roster.

It's fine if your argument is that you don't trust any Oilers management to get that kind of value out of a trade involving the pick. I get that. But outright rejecting the idea of trading it? Nah, (frank) that noise.
- MaximumBone

I'd prob trade the 1st for Ehlers too if there was no problem fitting him under the cap.

There are a whole bunch of moves not being offered, that are not being discussed, that are not realistic that I would move the 1st for. The comment about borderline untouchable is with regards to a situation based on what is being discussed and potentially available in reality. Not based on my Christmas wish list.

i think the current situation and McDavids parallel what Yzerman went through. Also, Yzerman was 10+ seasons in before he won, and he won 3!
- wingz4life

I keep pointing to this but it doesn’t sound as cool as McDavid will demand a trade....sure I joke about it but I feel like he wants to help turn this around....you don’t get to be McDavid good by being a quitter

Season has been saved
- RatedR80

If he can squeeze out just one goal, he'll have had a better showing than Reider this past season. One goal. All year. Just one. No pressure. Even an empty netter; just one goddamn goal.

If he can squeeze out just one goal, he'll have had a better showing than Reider this past season. One goal. All year. Just one. No pressure. Even an empty netter; just one goddamn goal.
- cnatch

We brought in Granlund to replace Reider....big shoes to fill but yes 1 goal can make the difference

I'd prob trade the 1st for Ehlers too if there was no problem fitting him under the cap.

There are a whole bunch of moves not being offered, that are not being discussed, that are not realistic that I would move the 1st for. The comment about borderline untouchable is with regards to a situation based on what is being discussed and potentially available in reality. Not based on my Christmas wish list.
- RonPielep

Okay, that's an interpretive misunderstanding then. I thought it was a general statement on the 1st being untouchable, not that it's untouchable in a deal for Gusev. To the latter point, I agree. My bad 🤙

Just need to get in regardless of where you place....it’s been proven time and time again
- RatedR80

Lol. I mean, it's been said time and time again, but proven? 19 of the last 20 Cup winners had 99 or more points. (Excluding the lockout shortened season.)

Seems like it's time to deal RNH for a top end winger, Holland really has no other choice. Anyone he gets as a bargain is a bargain for a reason, RNH could bring back a top end winger as well as other assets.

Lol. I mean, it's been said time and time again, but proven? 19 of the last 20 Cup winners had 99 or more points. (Excluding the lockout shortened season.)
- Antilles

How many of those were the coveted 1st seeds?

Seems like it's time to deal RNH for a top end winger, Holland really has no other choice. Anyone he gets as a bargain is a bargain for a reason, RNH could bring back a top end winger as well as other assets.
- 13sundin13

We might not have a choice if there is another season like the last

i think the current situation and McDavids parallel what Yzerman went through. Also, Yzerman was 10+ seasons in before he won, and he won 3!
- wingz4life

It may parallel Yzerman's path but the big difference is that the Wings owner was willing to spend big bucks on players when they started to become contenders in a non capped era.

But the first few years of his career , the team was brutal but he brought on the revival of the Wings.