Ceci is better than what is projected by people. He played on a bad team and played tough minutes and lots of them.
I think people will be pleasantly surprised with his play this year.
- TOGENIUS

Unpossible, he is a Leaf now.. Fans will run him out of town.

Ceci is better than what is projected by people. He played on a bad team and played tough minutes and lots of them.
I think people will be pleasantly surprised with his play this year.
- TOGENIUS

Ceci sucks.
The same as those who actually watch hockey knew before start of last season that Sparks sucks.
Ceci = Marincin level (different skill set, yes); and most people in here hate him.
Only place for Ceci on this roster would be 3rd pairing - Toronto desperately still needs a guy to play with Rielly, unless they expect that they can get enough points with player x in top 4 before Dermott is back. (after which top4 is Dermott-Muzzin-Rielly-Barrie).

Ceci sucks.
The same as those who actually watch hockey knew before start of last season that Sparks sucks.
Ceci = Marincin level (different skill set, yes); and most people in here hate him.
Only place for Ceci on this roster would be 3rd pairing - Toronto desperately still needs a guy to play with Rielly, unless they expect that they can get enough points with player x in top 4 before Dermott is back. (after which top4 is Dermott-Muzzin-Rielly-Barrie).
- MaximusAurelius

Holy (frank) you are a negative SOB.


JMO, Leafs have a good team, you should try to enjoy the fact.

Maybe chat with you boys in the fall.

Cheers

Ceci sucks.
The same as those who actually watch hockey knew before start of last season that Sparks sucks.
Ceci = Marincin level (different skill set, yes); and most people in here hate him.
Only place for Ceci on this roster would be 3rd pairing - Toronto desperately still needs a guy to play with Rielly, unless they expect that they can get enough points with player x in top 4 before Dermott is back. (after which top4 is Dermott-Muzzin-Rielly-Barrie).
- MaximusAurelius

It’s a tough go of it getting Reilly a partner. The guy is a stud & could use one.

Holy (frank) you are a negative SOB.


JMO, Leafs have a good team, you should try to enjoy the fact.

Maybe chat with you boys in the fall.

Cheers
- bixll

it's not negative - it's being realistic.
same with the kadri vs. kerfoot discussions ('kerfoot is a great PK'er!!').

Dubas made some moves - which is great.
we'll have to see how they pan out.
we all hope they pan out great.
but anytime someone actually says that player X might not be a topline performer, it's just stupid to react 'hater!! you're not a leafs fan!' etc.

some people want to discuss hockey.
others are just here to be fanboys and say 'leafs are the bestests'.
the problem is if people of these two categories start responding to eachoter.

Holy (frank) you are a negative SOB.


JMO, Leafs have a good team, you should try to enjoy the fact.

Maybe chat with you boys in the fall.

Cheers
- bixll

As much as I agree that he's typically negative, he's not wrong here.

All measures - objective and otherwise - point to the fact that Ceci is a terrible defenseman. When Ottawa is bad, Ceci is in the bottom 5 (not like bottom quarter, or bottom 40, bottom FIVE) in pretty much all posession, play driving, and goal prevention metrics. When Ottawa has been good, Ceci is in the bottom 5 (not like bottom quarter, or bottom 40, bottom FIVE) in pretty much all posession, play driving, and goal prevention metrics.

I would *love* for the Leaf Management to somehow figure out something for him. Maybe with different utilization, different responsibilities, being away from the pressures of home . . .maybe a different scene / change - or the realization that this is now his career on the line - I don't know, MAYBE, he becomes a different player.

But for all of our sake, it's best to think of Cody Ceci as someone who is terrible, and give him a chance to surprise us, rather than think he's decent - which he has literally never proven he is - and have him let us down.

The Leafs are a good team. Barrie is an upgrade and will help drive the play from the back-end. But Ceci is objectively worse than Zaitsev, but not by much, since Zaitsev was pretty useless, too. A full year of Muzzin will help, too.

Capriendly doesn’t lie. Pridhams word means nada.
- Nighthawk

No, it doesn't lie.

It also, at first glance, doesn't say what you think it does. I will leave it up to you to figure it out.

If you think you know more than the Dubas, Pridham, and TSN then you go right ahead believing what you want.

Ok kiddo

Run it by anyone using your intentional unheard of masterstroke of using a 21 man roster.

Go ahead & find support for that 😂😂

I know how the cap works but try again

Not very hard if you try or keep digging a deeper hole idc lol
- Nighthawk

MLSE definitely needs to hire you.

How could Dubas and Pridham get it so wrong.

It’s a tough go of it getting Reilly a partner. The guy is a stud & could use one.
- Nighthawk

By the way, for all of your cap speculation at 1:40AM, go read a post I put up on page 1 of this blog. It contains a breakdown of the cap situation, and shows that while capfriendly outlines some data, it's including information that it shouldn't. The Leafs can afford Marner up to $9m if they don't use any LTIR. Horton's $5.3m gives them a fair bit of additional flexibility. Hyman will likely go on LTIR to start the year, and if he's not back until December, that's probably 45% of the season, or another $1m in cap room for the year.

Hold on? You think 13 + 7 + 2 is 21?
- walshyleafsfan

yeah I saw that also

But he isn't trolling, he is just curious.

By the way, for all of your cap speculation at 1:40AM, go read a post I put up on page 1 of this blog. It contains a breakdown of the cap situation, and shows that while capfriendly outlines some data, it's including information that it shouldn't. The Leafs can afford Marner up to $9m if they don't use any LTIR. Horton's $5.3m gives them a fair bit of additional flexibility. Hyman will likely go on LTIR to start the year, and if he's not back until December, that's probably 45% of the season, or another $1m in cap room for the year.
- Monkeypunk

people underestimate how much Leafs will miss Hyman.
I could see Leafs struggling first half of season, in particular with Hyman + Dermott out in combination with the difficult schedule first 3 months (lots of away games first 5 weeks of season).

No, it doesn't lie.

It also, at first glance, doesn't say what you think it does. I will leave it up to you to figure it out.

If you think you know more than the Dubas, Pridham, and TSN then you go right ahead believing what you want.
- Aetherial

I can do the math & add LTIR from Horton & Hyman & Dermott & demotions. Talk to your buddy who thinks running a 21 player roster is a solution lol

Ceci sucks.
The same as those who actually watch hockey knew before start of last season that Sparks sucks.
Ceci = Marincin level (different skill set, yes); and most people in here hate him.
Only place for Ceci on this roster would be 3rd pairing - Toronto desperately still needs a guy to play with Rielly, unless they expect that they can get enough points with player x in top 4 before Dermott is back. (after which top4 is Dermott-Muzzin-Rielly-Barrie).
- MaximusAurelius

Exactly this. ^^

people underestimate how much Leafs will miss Hyman.
I could see Leafs struggling first half of season, in particular with Hyman + Dermott out in combination with the difficult schedule first 3 months (lots of away games first 5 weeks of season).
- MaximusAurelius

They will definitely miss him. He plays where a lot of our players don't like to. It's an opportunity for guys like Moore to elevate their game and show that they are capable of. What Hyman does, I think, probably better than anyone is forecheck effectively. He doesn't just fly-by, or come in with speed and hook, he comes at them with speed and engages, which causes turnovers.

Babs would talk about his puck retrieval ability, but with his hands (which are basically average), he doesn't seem to win most of his board battles. But he pops the puck free. He causes it to happen. He disturbs the defense and that's a skill that when employed well - especially with guys on the line who can capitalize - is extremely useful.

I’m starting to think Babs will play Muzz/Barrie.

Who the hell does Rielly get to start the season? Barring a miracle Ceci can handle it I could see Lil getting it...

Liljegren hasn’t progressed at all offensively but defensively he’s made massive strides.
- Santo_44

Good.
It will be nice to have a dman who's good at defense. Dont need them all to score.
Stop the rush, defend the net and get the puck out.

I can do the math & add LTIR from Horton & Hyman & Dermott & demotions. Talk to your buddy who thinks running a 21 player roster is a solution lol
- Nighthawk

Toronto will easily run a 20/21 roster, in particular when stretches with lots of home games.
They can just call up Marlies (Borgman, Liljegren, a few other FWs).

The only 'risk' they run is losing guys on waivers - Sparks/Holl/Gravel etc.

As much as I agree that he's typically negative, he's not wrong here.

All measures - objective and otherwise - point to the fact that Ceci is a terrible defenseman. When Ottawa is bad, Ceci is in the bottom 5 (not like bottom quarter, or bottom 40, bottom FIVE) in pretty much all posession, play driving, and goal prevention metrics. When Ottawa has been good, Ceci is in the bottom 5 (not like bottom quarter, or bottom 40, bottom FIVE) in pretty much all posession, play driving, and goal prevention metrics.

I would *love* for the Leaf Management to somehow figure out something for him. Maybe with different utilization, different responsibilities, being away from the pressures of home . . .maybe a different scene / change - or the realization that this is now his career on the line - I don't know, MAYBE, he becomes a different player.

But for all of our sake, it's best to think of Cody Ceci as someone who is terrible, and give him a chance to surprise us, rather than think he's decent - which he has literally never proven he is - and have him let us down.

The Leafs are a good team. Barrie is an upgrade and will help drive the play from the back-end. But Ceci is objectively worse than Zaitsev, but not by much, since Zaitsev was pretty useless, too. A full year of Muzzin will help, too.
- Monkeypunk

People keep telling me this.

I refuse to believe it until I see it. (frank) I hated Zaitsev.

Only $9m once Horton is on the LTIR.
Signing Marner is getting tight with only 1 F to be demoted. Trade is looming me thinks but who?
- Nighthawk

Why? Gotta think 9.7 or less gets MM done if he wants a 5 yr deal.

Ceci sucks.
The same as those who actually watch hockey knew before start of last season that Sparks sucks.
Ceci = Marincin level (different skill set, yes); and most people in here hate him.
Only place for Ceci on this roster would be 3rd pairing - Toronto desperately still needs a guy to play with Rielly, unless they expect that they can get enough points with player x in top 4 before Dermott is back. (after which top4 is Dermott-Muzzin-Rielly-Barrie).
- MaximusAurelius

I know you're young, but let me tell you, the amount of times I've heard this player or that player sucks when they're still just 25 or under, who then turn out to have a solid / great / incredible career on another team is countless.

Ceci cost us nothing. Let's see what the guy's got. Worse case, he's Z but we're out after a year. Best case? He rebounds in a big way and is a pleasant surprise for the year.

And please, enough about Sparks.

Why? Gotta think 9.7 or less gets MM done if he wants a 5 yr deal.
- The Law

Now that Aho got like 8.5 over a five year deal, definitely.

Some people had me convinced for a while there that Marner would actually get 11+. I'm so gullible.

Hyman had ACL surgery end April out 6mths taking him til the end of October.

Dermott shoulder surgery in May out a minimum 6mths.

Currently $3.7m cap space.
Take both off the cap for temporary LTIR savings of 3m.
Add Horton 5.25m & that’s 12m total.
Hyman projects at a 350k LTIR relief
Dermott at a min 150k relief

12m leaves nothing left for Hyman or Dermott when back in the ice. Marner won’t cost 12m though so it gets dicey on what Marner signs for but

Marner has to sign for 10m max for Hyman to play then Dermott later on. More if either Hyman or Dermott have more extended time off.

Hows my math?
That is also only using a 22 man roster.

No, it doesn't lie.

It also, at first glance, doesn't say what you think it does. I will leave it up to you to figure it out.

If you think you know more than the Dubas, Pridham, and TSN then you go right ahead believing what you want.
- Aetherial

Need some equipment to figure these things out. Trolls that hang around like a bad smell are generally blinded from facts by their hate.

Hyman had ACL surgery end April out 6mths taking him til the end of October.

Dermott shoulder surgery in May out a minimum 6mths.

Currently $3.7m cap space.
Take both off the cap for temporary LTIR savings of 3m.
Add Horton 5.25m & that’s 12m total.
Hyman projects at a 350k LTIR relief
Dermott at a min 150k relief

12m leaves nothing left for Hyman or Dermott when back in the ice. Marner won’t cost 12m though so it gets dicey on what Marner signs for but

Marner has to sign for 10m max for Hyman to play. More if either Hyman or Dermott have more extended time off.

Hows my math?
That is also only using a 22 man roster.
- Nighthawk

We don't know, because you're not showing your math.

Now that Aho got like 8.5 over a five year deal, definitely.

Some people had me convinced for a while there that Marner would actually get 11+. I'm so gullible.
- Leafs43

Even Paul Dreger confirmed weeks ago "11" was not part of the discussion.

He might get into the 10's if it's a 8 yr deal but at 5 years the battle ground is probably 8.5 - 9.5. I'm guessing the Leafs are pushing for that 6th yr.

They'll lock him up and have a few bucks left over. They'll save a few extra bucks with Hyman being replaced by a cheap Ahl'er for the first couple of months. It's tight but they'll have enough at the to grab a D rental at the deadline.

Dubas or Pridham’s calculator works the same as anyone else’s. It’s not difficult.