I though Marner was second, and only 1 behind Kucherov in primary assists.
- aminnes

I thought it was McDavid and Kucherov ahead of him.

I though Marner was second, and only 1 behind Kucherov in primary assists.
- aminnes

How much does Kucherov make again?

How much does Kucherov make again?
- Leafs43

Florida state discount.

He'd be making much more anywhere else.

I thought it was McDavid and Kucherov ahead of him.
- JohnFergusonJr

Yup. McDavid of course! 56, K53, MM52. Kucherov also leads in secondary. And of course who your playing with helps, but it also doesn't mean you could throw a bag of sh!t with McDavid and he's going to produce. On the flip side, if McDavid could play with quality wingers my god he's get to 150 points.

How much does Kucherov make again?
- Leafs43

Curiously a lot less than Auston Matthews.

And?

You are bragging about that? Ok...do you want a pat on the back?
- Santo_44

Played a whopping 1 more game than the Leafs.

Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber.

...If matching the offer means unloading Ceci, Dubas does it IMO.
- winsix

Assuming someone else would want him.

Assuming someone else would want him.
- The Shrike

Zeitsev part 2. Who's the sweetner?

Even worse than the draft pick locations, the Leafs get significantly weaker as a team and it will take years and years for those draft picks to become anything.

In that time, Matthew's contract runs out. Andersen, Rielly and so on. All these guys will have become UFAs.
- JohnFergusonJr

4 1st round picks + $10 million in cap space.

Re-sign Gardiner and get another winger.

Not “significantly weaker.

And you get 12 more years of 1st rounders playing on entry level contracts - that’s probably the most important factor here.

I hope he stays.

But I won’t cry if he is gone.

Florida state discount.

He'd be making much more anywhere else.
- JohnFergusonJr

UG TAXES

Zeitsev part 2. Who's the sweetner?
- aminnes

If the leafs structured the deal to include a big signing bonus (I bet they did.) They wouldn't have much of a problem flipping Ceci if the actual dollars owed is only 1-1.5 million.

If the leafs structured the deal to include a big signing bonus (I bet they did.) They wouldn't have much of a problem flipping Ceci if the actual dollars owed is only 1-1.5 million.
- Leafs43

As far as I know he was not given a bonus laden deal. The reason for that is unknown.

4 1st round picks + $10 million in cap space.

Re-sign Gardiner and get another winger.

Not “significantly weaker.

And you get 12 more years of 1st rounders playing on entry level contracts - that’s probably the most important factor here.

I hope he stays.

But I won’t cry if he is gone.
- Atomic Wedgie

Four first picks could be 4 Gauthiers. Ask these two questions. How many better RW are there in the NHL right now than Marner - make a list (he was 11th in scoring)
How many of those RW are 22 or younger?

Some could say Laine, though Marner looks better at this point. Some may include Pastrnak (he's only 23) List is pretty small wouldn't you agree.

If the leafs structured the deal to include a big signing bonus (I bet they did.) They wouldn't have much of a problem flipping Ceci if the actual dollars owed is only 1-1.5 million.
- Leafs43

I love the thinking, but word on the street is it was the standard contract with no signing bonus.

Yeah, I don’t get it either.

As far as I know he was not given a bonus laden deal. The reason for that is unknown.
- aminnes

Well god damn.

Ceci is here to stay for the year it would seem. At least he is a RHD.

Four first picks could be 4 Gauthiers. Ask these two questions. How many better RW are there in the NHL right now than Marner - make a list (he was 11th in scoring)
How many of those RW are 22 or younger?

Some could say Laine, though Marner looks better at this point. Some may include Pastrnak (he's only 23) List is pretty small wouldn't you agree.
- winsix

Something that nobody seems to point out, but is glaringly obvious:

It really depends on what team tables the offer sheet.

Ottawa? Buh-bye.

Nashville? Tough call.

Marner's also got value as a good penalty killer. He's ranked 3rd among forwards with at least 80 mins in PK TOI.

Four first picks could be 4 Gauthiers. Ask these two questions. How many better RW are there in the NHL right now than Marner - make a list (he was 11th in scoring)
How many of those RW are 22 or younger?

Some could say Laine, though Marner looks better at this point. Some may include Pastrnak (he's only 23) List is pretty small wouldn't you agree.
- winsix

That's not the point, though. The point is that Marner is not worth that much moolah and it'd cripple the Leafs.

So the same posters complaining that the Leafs are too top heavy, would match a 12.5m OS for Marner...

So the same posters complaining that the Leafs are too top heavy, would match a 12.5m OS for Marner...




- Steven_Seagull

Shhhhhh!

Let them squabble here. Don't let them know that there's a new blog.

Something that nobody seems to point out, but is glaringly obvious:

It really depends on what team tables the offer sheet.

Ottawa? Buh-bye.

Nashville? Tough call.
- Atomic Wedgie

That's why the AVs were brought up yesterday.

4 1st round picks + $10 million in cap space.

Re-sign Gardiner and get another winger.

Not “significantly weaker.

And you get 12 more years of 1st rounders playing on entry level contracts - that’s probably the most important factor here.

I hope he stays.

But I won’t cry if he is gone.
- Atomic Wedgie

Not sure if adding yet another offensive D really helps the Leafs that much.

What winger? And at what price?

12 more years of 1st rounders is deceptive because it doesn't speak to the quality (or lack therefore) of said players.

Something that nobody seems to point out, but is glaringly obvious:

It really depends on what team tables the offer sheet.

Ottawa? Buh-bye.

Nashville? Tough call.
- Atomic Wedgie

I've pointed this out at least once or twice.

There aren't many teams bad enough who would give Marner an offer sheet that it would yield lottery picks or even top 15 picks.

Yup, this is what people are forgetting. If the Leafs get four 1st round picks, they aren't the type of picks that will get you another Marner. Depending on the team, you're talking about four very late 1st round picks. And while those are useful for filling out your roster with cheap ELCs, they rarely yield a Marner.

And it takes more time. Time the Leafs won't have.
- JohnFergusonJr

Might as well kill ourselves right now then. You go first though.