Wanna blog? Start your own hockey blog with My HockeyBuzz. Register for free today!
 
Forums :: Blog World :: Mike Augello: Marner camp searching for the right term
Author Message
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Jul 8 @ 11:46 AM ET
the other thing is Dermot is out for a while, so they need to cover him.
and provides a buffer for Sandin/Lil

Ceci cant be totally awful right?
Right????

- senstroll


This is long, but it's an objective look at Cody Ceci, and it's not pretty.

We know that he is not an analytics darling by any stretch, but one thing we hear is that the Leafs feel that he has had bad partners and this has adversely affected his game. Better partners, perhaps better structure will improve his play.

So I took a look at Ceci's possession performance starting in 2015/2016. I started here because he had a year and a half in the league by then and it was his first (and only) plus season, which seems like a fair place to begin evaluating him and his partners. For the purposes of evaluation, I looked at 5v5 play, and eliminated anyone who had fewer than 100 minutes on the ice with Ceci in that season.

In 2015/2016, the Senators had a team 5v5 CF of 47.45%. Ceci had a CF% of 44.41%. He was paired with Wiercoch predominantly, but also saw some time with Phaneuf and Methot. Of the 18 players who played more than 100 minutes with Ceci (excluding Goalies, bceause that's like double-counting compared to the team), 16 of them were better when Ceci was not on the ice. Only Chiasson and Nick Paul were better when Ceci was on the ice. While not driving the play, goal prevention does seem to be something he is slightly better at, where 10 of the 18 had better goal prevention numbers with Ceci. That being said, two of his principal partners - Methot and Wiercoch - were significantly more effective at goal prevention away from Ceci. Dion Phaneuf, who was a disaster without Ceci, was drastically improved playing with him.

2016/2017 saw the Senators improve in the standings to 98 points, however they still had a team CF% of 48.57%. Ceci was again below the team average at 45.69%. He played about 70% of his 5v5 time paired with Phaneuf. Of the 15 players who played more than 100 minutes with Ceci, only 1 (Methot) had better posession numbers when Ceci was on the ice. In fact of those players who had more than 100 minutes with Ceci, they averaged a CF% of 49.4% without Ceci and 45.7% with him. This year did not demonstrate any case where perhaps Ceci was better at goal prevention with only 2 players have improved goal prevention numbers with Ceci.

The last couple of years have been a disaster for the Senators. In 2017 they had a CF% of 47.2% and in 2018, 44.9%. In those years, Ceci was 44.34% and 43.96%.

In 2017, of the 19 players Ceci played more than 100 minutes with, 16 were better off without Ceci. In fact both Stone and Brassard had a notable 10% improvement in possession away from Ceci. His goal prevention was slightly better, with 7 of the 19 having better prevention numbers than Ceci. Although his primary D partners for the year - Phaneuf, Chabot, and Borowiecki - all performed better away from Ceci in terms of goal prevention.

In 2018, the Senators, I believe, were bad enough to make Ceci look slightly better. Of the 18 players he played more than 100 minutes with, 7 of them were better with Ceci. This did exclude his primary defensive partner, Lajoie, but Chabot's 247 minutes with Ceci saw him perform better. His goal prevention numbers were the same, 7 players performing better, including Chabot.

Comparing Ceci to Zaitsev, on a good team in 2018, Zaitsev was clearly dragging down the team around him. Of the 18 players with whom he played more than 100 minutes, 15 posted poorer possession and goal prevention numbers. Only the Tavares line performed better with Zaitsev on the ice.

In 2017, Zaitsev had the injury that we had hoped he would recover from. Due to the injury, he had fewer minutes, but of the 13 players he played more than 100 minutes with, only Dominic Moore, and Gardiner posted better CF%. It should be noted the variance for Gardiner was 0.05%, however Zaitsev's play away from Gardiner was 7.13% worse.



Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 8 @ 11:47 AM ET
right????!!???


- senstroll

Everybody in the media seems to think so.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 8 @ 11:49 AM ET
Is it strategic that Dubas has left around 9 mil in cap space (horton on ltir)...for a certain player.

like...his hands are tied...thats all we have left

- senstroll

“Make our team worse so I can buy my dad a yacht”

-Marner

RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jul 8 @ 11:50 AM ET
“Make our team worse so I can buy my dad a yacht”

-Marner


- Santo_44

Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 8 @ 11:52 AM ET

- RickJames77

Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 8 @ 11:52 AM ET

- RickJames77

Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 8 @ 11:56 AM ET

- AdamFrench

Good thing that wasn't Auston Matthews, or he'd be out for half the season.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 8 @ 12:02 PM ET
Good thing that wasn't Auston Matthews, or he'd be out for half the season.
- Atomic Wedgie


LeafGuy89
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 05.13.2017

Jul 8 @ 12:06 PM ET

- AdamFrench



Lmfao the dudes face is priceless.

The girl in blue too
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 8 @ 12:11 PM ET

- AdamFrench

Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 8 @ 12:12 PM ET

- TheMussel


Stupid cats.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 8 @ 12:13 PM ET
Stupid cats.
- Scabeh


You wanna know who's cat isn't stupid? Nobody's.

Still love my stupid cat though, even if she is stupid... (still smarter than most 4 year olds tho).
DrunkenCanuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Check your PM, ON
Joined: 07.14.2009

Jul 8 @ 12:13 PM ET
Stupid cats.
- Scabeh


Cats are Cody Ceci Bad.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 8 @ 12:13 PM ET
Toronto suns reports Barrie looking for a 8 years 64M contract.

Holy smokes!

https://www.tsn.ca/report...8m-on-next-deal-1.1334566
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 8 @ 12:14 PM ET
Toronto suns reports Barrie looking for a 8 years 64M contract.

Holy smokes!

https://www.tsn.ca/report...8m-on-next-deal-1.1334566

- Scabeh

Makes sense...you have to pay for good players as much as people hate that.

I'd do it in a heartbeat...although those initial media numbers are usually overblown...much like Myers. 7M-7.5M is probably the cost
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 8 @ 12:15 PM ET
Toronto suns reports Barrie looking for a 8 years 64M contract.

Holy smokes!

https://www.tsn.ca/report...8m-on-next-deal-1.1334566

- Scabeh


That's not out of this world.

If he's better than Gardiner, and Gardiner is looking for 7 million, then it makes sense.
LeafGuy89
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 05.13.2017

Jul 8 @ 12:16 PM ET
Toronto suns reports Barrie looking for a 8 years 64M contract.

Holy smokes!

https://www.tsn.ca/report...8m-on-next-deal-1.1334566

- Scabeh


That Steve Simmons is always wrong though
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 8 @ 12:17 PM ET
That's not out of this world.

If he's better than Gardiner, and Gardiner is looking for 7 million, then it makes sense.

- TheMussel

It shouldn't be too difficult. The bulk of the work has been done for the next 3 years.

Just goes to show you that the few idiots who think the Leafs should just give Marner 11M already are crazy. You need to fill out your roster.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jul 8 @ 12:19 PM ET
Toronto suns reports Barrie looking for a 8 years 64M contract.

Holy smokes!

https://www.tsn.ca/report...8m-on-next-deal-1.1334566

- Scabeh

This is why I think the Bruins should trade Krug. Even if I don't want to. They won't pay him and McAvoy & Grzelyck could take over the PP. It might not be as good, but it'd be still be towards the top of the league. Try and acquire a top 6 RW for him and wallah. Not that any of you care
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Jul 8 @ 12:22 PM ET
It's nice that he's a RHD.

But is he an upgrade over Gardiner? I'd say only slightly.... and might leave in a year.

But Kerfoot is a significant downgrade on Kadri.

Of course vs the Bruins in the playoffs it's a major upgrade on both fronts.

- Scabeh


Chronic back problems, Gardiner, or Gardiner from three years ago?

Barrie's better than Gardiner and I think by more than slightly.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 8 @ 12:25 PM ET
Chronic back problems, Gardiner, or Gardiner from three years ago?

Barrie's better than Gardiner and I think by more than slightly.

- gravyface

Absolutely.

It isn't very close. Also Barrie on the PP gives the Leafs a new weapon...Rielly and Gardiner both aren't too dangerous back there...They mostly just distributed the puck.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 8 @ 12:29 PM ET
This is long, but it's an objective look at Cody Ceci, and it's not pretty.


- Monkeypunk
.
oh iv seen it

and thats why I am not expecting much of anything positive

gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Jul 8 @ 12:29 PM ET
Absolutely.

It isn't very close. Also Barrie on the PP gives the Leafs a new weapon...Rielly and Gardiner both aren't too dangerous back there...They mostly just distributed the puck.

- Santo_44


Yup. It's interesting to know that Gardiner is still not signed, but I read something this morning that no team wants to give him more than 2 years.

I secretly hoped the Leafs would've resigned at a discount to play on our 3rd pairing.

This pleases me greatly:

Rielly Ceci
Muzzin Barrie
Gardiner Holl/Dermott
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 8 @ 12:32 PM ET
Yup. It's interesting to know that Gardiner is still not signed, but I read something this morning that no team wants to give him more than 2 years.

I secretly hoped the Leafs would've resigned at a discount to play on our 3rd pairing.

This pleases me greatly:

Rielly Ceci
Muzzin Barrie
Gardiner Holl/Dermott

- gravyface


The only thing with that is Gards would be the 3rd option on the PP. That would take a huge hit on his points which is not good for his next contract.

He'd have to be okay with getting Dermott mins and I am not sure if that is worth it.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 8 @ 12:32 PM ET
Yup. It's interesting to know that Gardiner is still not signed, but I read something this morning that no team wants to give him more than 2 years.

I secretly hoped the Leafs would've resigned at a discount to play on our 3rd pairing.

This pleases me greatly:

Rielly Ceci
Muzzin Barrie
Gardiner Holl/Dermott

- gravyface

Ceci getting 23-25min of ice time....
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27  Next