My point was that Mitch isn’t some one dimensional player, he has a lot of attributes. If he put up 94pts, but slacked on his defensive play, then sure pay him a little less. But he’s really good at both ends (remember those blocked shots in the playoffs) so he’s a complete player
- Arctic_AARDVARK

He also disappeared for most of the playoffs too.

Look I like Mitch, he's a super talented young player, but he's being mislead to believe he's worth double digits. Aho just formalized his contract, a very team friendly contract for a center that put up almost as much points as Mitch did, with more goals, playing with Ferlands and Teravainens, who are not in the same league as John Tavares.

Why?

Look, I'm a Hawks fan chiming in but this logic isn't very solid..

If you have a better team at the end of the day and with the addition of Marner you become a contender, what does it matter? you would be drafting between 20 and 31/32.... How many late first round picks will go on to be a Marner type of player? not many, the odds are against the Islanders if they think 4 late first round picks will become a player like Marner.... Depth players or even players that could potentially fit in the top 6, sure, but Marner is a budding superstar..... So you absolutely offer-sheet Marner.... Lou would be crazy not to, even for reasons of revenge.... If I was an NHL GM I would absolutely offer-sheet Marner if I had a sound farm system, I had the cap space and did the math on just how good late first round picks become.... Yes, of course I would take a hit on depth, but there are plenty of ways to acquire depth...

Of course trading for Marner's RFA rights would be more likely, If I was a GM that would be my first approach before an offer-sheet... Perhaps Toronto would want some warm bodies that can help now for depth instead of the picks?

As far as the Marner situation:

I mean I don't even comprehend why Marner hasn't signed and offer-sheet... If I were him I would refuse to sign in Toronto - the Tavares signing would have pissed me off a year ago... I mean there are only 2 scenarios there - 1. Toronto bet against Marner being as great as he was hence making less, or 2. betting that Marner would "take a discount" while Tavares makes 11 million a season, but Marner should make less despite the fact he lead the team in scoring and is younger??? yea, put yourself in Marners position - Toronto blew the cap space that was designated for Marner, Matthews and Nylander on Tavares .... Why the hell should Marner sign in Toronto?

Look, if I'm Mitch Marner I'm NOT signing in Toronto, not after getting basically stabbed in the back after leading the team in scoring, then getting bounced in the first round with a stacked team .... I will mull over offer-sheets and select the best fit for me, but Toronto would be out of the question - I would LEAF (no pun, lol) the team without a second thought...

What Dubas and Shanahan did was pretty outrageous.... I mean it's not a situation like Marner was a 5th round pick, came out of nowhere and lead the team in scoring 2 years in a row -- no -- those two fools damn well knew Matthews, Nylander and Marner were going to need raises, they had the cap space to make all of that happen but blew it on "Mr. Hometown Boy" Tavares..... They were greedy... All Marner wants is a fair contract and Toronto cant give it to them because they gave his money to Tavares essentially...

And Leafs fans CAN'T blame Marner when he does sign an offer-sheet and Toronto is forced to trade more depth to match or let him walk...

The most likely scenario is Toronto trades Marners rights IMO, and I do like the Islanders as a landing spot for him, but he could obviously land anywhere and IMO, I really wouldn't be shocked if the Hawks landed him -- Stan Bowman can surprise... And I'm saying this because when the Hawks signed Hossa, I remember what Bowman said: "when you have an opportunity to obtain a player of Hossa's skill-set, you take advantage of the opportunity"...

I suppose my point is that, Toronto cant afford Marner, and if I were in Marners shoes I would be pissed off and I'm absolutely certain that Toronto has been proposed many trade scenarios for Marner and that a trade for his RFA rights will eventually happen...

Of course I predicted all of this insanity the second Tavares signed in Toronto, heck even before that because even Toronto fans at the time when there were rumblings of Tavares signing in Toronto were like "we don't have the cap space to make it work" and I agreed, however I also thought maybe they could make a run for the Cup and won it then perhaps it would be worth it if they lost one of Matthews, Nylander or Marner???.... Of course they did sign Tavares and got bounced in the first round - that is a total face palm....

Look, I'm a Hawks fan so none of this really affects the Hawks, tho as a person it kinda pisses me off how Toronto treated Marner with their "take one for the team" nonsense and even some fans calling Marner greedy - which is absolutely asinine considering all he wants is fair market value, and 12.5 really isn't that insane when you consider what the cap will be in 5 years.....
- Savard2Secord

The Kucherov deal would work out to the same or more than what Mitch is asking for because of the tax implications so......? Marner would lose close to 40-50% of his deal by signing with the Leafs. One of the many reasons why it’s hard for Canadian teams to retain talent.
- Snots33_77

Hogwash..

He also disappeared for most of the playoffs too.

Look I like Mitch, he's a super talented young player, but he's being mislead to believe he's worth double digits. Aho just formalized his contract, a very team friendly contract for a center that put up almost as much points as Mitch did, with more goals, playing with Ferlands and Teravainens, who are not in the same league as John Tavares.
- gravyface

Gotta disagree with the idea that Aho signed a 'team friendly' deal. 8.5 x 5 was really good for Aho. Probably a really fair deal for both sides. You take all the 5 yr deals signed by elite young 21/22 yr olds coming off their ELC's and Aho's number puts him more than Perry/Getzlaf and slightly less than Kane/Toews. The only 5 yr deals with a higher cap value were given to Crosby, Malkin, Matthews and Stamkos. It's a really good number.

Converting those 5 yr deals to today's numbers ...

Crosby/Malkin ~ 12.5 million
Matthews ~ 11.5
Stamkos ~ 9.5
Kane/Toews ~ 9
Getzlaf/Perry ~ 8

IMO, none of these guys hit Stamkos level. I think he bagged 60 goals at age 21. So any of them signing 5 yr deals should be at 9 or under. I highly doubt any of them get over 9.5 on a 5 yr deal unless some crazy GM decides he's desperate and tosses an OS out there.

Everyone takes less to play for NYR.
- HealthyScratch6

Tax situation is overblown when you consider that these guys all get paid in USD and live in Canada giving them an extra 30 cents on the dollar in buying power. You wanna buy a 1.3 million dollar condo in Toronto well that will only cost you 1 million USD.
- HealthyScratch6

Fair enough. But $0.30 on the dollar is still worse than a 40-50% tax penalty, especially when the exchange rate can fluctuate. Don’t you think?

Gotta disagree with the idea that Aho signed a 'team friendly' deal. 8.5 x 5 was really good for Aho. Probably a really fair deal for both sides. You take all the 5 yr deals signed by elite young 21/22 yr olds coming off their ELC's and Aho's number puts him more than Perry/Getzlaf and slightly less than Kane/Toews. The only 5 yr deals with a higher cap value were given to Crosby, Malkin, Matthews and Stamkos. It's a really good number.

Converting those 5 yr deals to today's numbers ...

Crosby/Malkin ~ 12.5 million
Matthews ~ 11.5
Stamkos ~ 9.5
Kane/Toews ~ 9
Getzlaf/Perry ~ 8

IMO, none of these guys hit Stamkos level. I think he bagged 60 goals at age 21. So any of them signing 5 yr deals should be at 9 or under. I highly doubt any of them get over 9.5 on a 5 yr deal unless some crazy GM decides he's desperate and tosses an OS out there.
- The Law

Stamkos scored 60 in his 4th year. Matthews on his ELC had a higher goals/game and points/game than Stamkos did. That’s without having a HOFer on his wing (St. Louis).

Fair enough. But $0.30 on the dollar is still worse than a 40-50% tax penalty, especially when the exchange rate can fluctuate. Don’t you think?
- Snots33_77

Players get paid in US dollars.

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jesus

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Fair enough. But $0.30 on the dollar is still worse than a 40-50% tax penalty, especially when the exchange rate can fluctuate. Don’t you think?
- Snots33_77

And USA doesn't have federal tax?

Players get paid in US dollars.
- Steven_Seagull

Tax situation is overblown when you consider that these guys all get paid in USD and live in Canada giving them an extra 30 cents on the dollar in buying power. You wanna buy a 1.3 million dollar condo in Toronto well that will only cost you 1 million USD.
- HealthyScratch6

This.

I’m not getting into it, but the Star has a good article on this recently.

Here's a WHAT IF


What if Gardiner isn't signed to a contract come training camp, do you offer him
an olive branch and invite him to camp and try to re-sign him on the cheap one year deal?

A contract like what Ottawa gave Hainsey.

Here's a WHAT IF


What if Gardiner isn't signed to a contract come training camp, do you offer him
an olive branch and invite him to camp and try to re-sign him on the cheap one year deal?

A contract like what Ottawa gave Hainsey.





- dmnted

Let Marner go via offer sheet, then sign Gardiner.

Fair enough. But $0.30 on the dollar is still worse than a 40-50% tax penalty, especially when the exchange rate can fluctuate. Don’t you think?
- Snots33_77

People still have to pay tax in the states just not as much. Converting USD to CAD gains them an extra 30%. I don't think the difference in taxes is that much. Either way I'm not saying people shouldn't take it into account but it's overblown.

The U.S. currently has seven federal income tax brackets, with rates of 10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35% and 37%. If you're one of the lucky few to fall into the 37% bracket, that doesn't mean that the entirety of your taxable income will be subject to a 37% tax.Jan 18, 2019

Players get paid in US dollars.
- Steven_Seagull

So tax implications have zero weight on a players decision to sign with a Canadian team? I have a hard time believing that?

People still have to pay tax in the states just not as much. Converting USD to CAD gains them an extra 30%. I don't think the difference in taxes is that much. Either way I'm not saying people shouldn't take it into account but it's overblown.
- HealthyScratch6

People in the States making that kind of money probably fall into the 37% tax rate.
And there are state taxes.

Let Marner go via offer sheet, then sign Gardiner.
- Steven_Seagull

Rielly dermott
Muzzin Barrie
Gardiner Ceci

Plus 4 extra 1st round picks and cap space. I like it.

So tax implications have zero weight on a players decision to sign with a Canadian team? I have a hard time believing that?
- Snots33_77

No one said that

People still have to pay tax in the states just not as much. Converting USD to CAD gains them an extra 30%. I don't think the difference in taxes is that much. Either way I'm not saying people shouldn't take it into account but it's overblown.
- HealthyScratch6

I completely understand but if you add 30 (best case scenario at this particular time) and subtract a greater number.....like the tax rate in Ontario for someone making millions.....the scales do not balance. This is all I’m getting at. I envy the Leafs for the talent...wish we had that problem

I completely understand but if you add 30 (best case scenario at this particular time) and subtract a greater number.....like the tax rate in Ontario for someone making millions.....the scales do not balance. This is all I’m getting at. I envy the Leafs for the talent...wish we had that problem
- Snots33_77

Again

The U.S. currently has seven federal income tax brackets, with rates of 10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35% and 37%. If you're one of the lucky few to fall into the 37% bracket, that doesn't mean that the entirety of your taxable income will be subject to a 37% tax.Jan 18, 2019

(frank) me. H&R Blockbuzz tonight eh?

(frank) me. H&R Blockbuzz tonight eh?
- RickJames77