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Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 10 @ 4:50 PM ET
Which is what Johnny is saying.
- 1970vintage

No he said otherwise.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 10 @ 4:52 PM ET
benning hasn't had this good of season since signing eriksson to fill a whole on the wing, signing markstrom for decent money and trading for sutter
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 10 @ 4:52 PM ET
4 mths of man games lost adds up. Signing Tree is at a pro rated contract.
- Nighthawk


Not if they pay him an entire years salary for two months of the season. Cap hit would be high...
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 10 @ 4:53 PM ET
benning hasn't had this good of season since signing eriksson to fill a whole on the wing, signing markstrom for decent money and trading for sutter
- Tumbleweed


Whole? Like all of the wing?
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 10 @ 4:54 PM ET
No he said otherwise.
- Nighthawk


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Ferky would need to be protected, which is what Johnny K is saying and Chompy disagrees with.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 10 @ 4:55 PM ET
Not if they pay him an entire years salary for two months of the season. Cap hit would be high...
- 1970vintage


Cap hit isn't calculated by yearly salary, it's actually calculated by daily salary when the player is on the roster

It's why teams can fit an 8 million dollar cap hit player with only 2 million in capspace at the deadline - The 8 million dollar player would count for less than 2 million during the remainder of the season

And it's why IR players unpaid salaries accumulate as savings. They aren't on the roster so that money doesn't count
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 10 @ 4:58 PM ET
Whole? Like all of the wing?
- 1970vintage


it's known as a two-winger, but really he should be defined as 4-way.
johnnykarate
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.03.2018

Jul 10 @ 4:58 PM ET
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Ferky would need to be protected, which is what Johnny K is saying and Chompy disagrees with.

- 1970vintage


honestly its all speculation anyway. i remember the league has to post a list to clarify because no one actually knew - like rask and vermettes nmc expiring 2 days before the draft lists

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...-list-contains-surprises/
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 10 @ 4:59 PM ET
Not if they pay him an entire years salary for two months of the season. Cap hit would be high...
- 1970vintage

Now why would they do that?
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 10 @ 4:59 PM ET
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Ferky would need to be protected, which is what Johnny K is saying and Chompy disagrees with.

- 1970vintage

Chompy is right
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 10 @ 5:01 PM ET
honestly its all speculation anyway. i remember the league has to post a list to clarify because no one actually knew - like rask and vermettes nmc expiring 2 days before the draft lists

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...-list-contains-surprises/

- johnnykarate


Repost once again

Teams were required to protect any contracted players with no move clauses (NMCs) with one of the team's slots for protected players, unless the contract expired on July 1, 2017, in which case the NMC was considered void for the draft.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 10 @ 5:05 PM ET
benning hasn't had this good of season since signing eriksson to fill a whole on the wing, signing markstrom for decent money and trading for sutter
- Tumbleweed

johnnykarate
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.03.2018

Jul 10 @ 5:05 PM ET
Repost once again

Teams were required to protect any contracted players with no move clauses (NMCs) with one of the team's slots for protected players, unless the contract expired on July 1, 2017, in which case the NMC was considered void for the draft.

- Nighthawk


again: ferlands contract expires in 2023. the draft is is in 2021

the clause changes, but the contract is not expired at the time of the expansion draft. theretohenceforth he is protected
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 10 @ 5:07 PM ET
again: ferlands contract expires in 2023. the draft is is in 2021

the clause changes, but the contract is not expired at the time of the expansion draft. theretohenceforth he is protected

- johnnykarate


All major media outlets have said he does NOT need to be protected. We shall see. Not that I care anyways
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 10 @ 5:08 PM ET
Now why would they do that?
- Nighthawk


They did it last time. Did it with Rafferty, Hughes, Boeser etc. It’s what teams do to attract players.
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Jul 10 @ 5:08 PM ET
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Ferky would need to be protected, which is what Johnny K is saying and Chompy disagrees with.

- 1970vintage


Both are correct in the contract eligibility expansion year and contract in effect statement. What is missing is duration of NMC at time of expansion draft. Technically a player won't be moving until the next season when that NMC is no longer in effect.

Perhaps it will be published to clarify. Either the expansion draft rules have a clause outlining NMC's expiring July 1. Or, Ferland's contract has a clause stating the NMC is waived or not in effect at time of expansion draft.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 10 @ 5:10 PM ET
They did it last time. Did it with Rafferty, Hughes, Boeser etc. It’s what teams do to attract players.
- 1970vintage


Huh?

Just because they signed for 800k for "the year" - doesn't mean they get the entire 800k

Those players pay are limited in terms of compensation by ELC requirements

They sign early, to get them a year closer to UFA and to burn a year off the ELC so they are eligible for a new contract sooner
johnnykarate
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.03.2018

Jul 10 @ 5:13 PM ET
All major media outlets have said he does NOT need to be protected. We shall see. Not that I care anyways
- CanuckDon


imo he will be protected whether they have to or not
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 10 @ 5:13 PM ET
Both are correct in the contract eligibility expansion year and contract in effect statement. What is missing is duration of NMC at time of expansion draft. Technically a player won't be moving until the next season when that NMC is no longer in effect.

Perhaps it will be published to clarify. Either the expansion draft rules have a clause outlining NMC's expiring July 1. Or, Ferland's contract has a clause stating the NMC is waived or not in effect at time of expansion draft.

- NuckUp


In the example used above of Rask and Vermette, their NMC's expired on June 15, BEFORE the draft

Not sure if that's a thing anymore, or if by default they are all July 1

There is a chance Ferlands NMC expires days before the draft is held.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 10 @ 5:13 PM ET
Huh?

Just because they signed for 800k for "the year" - doesn't mean they get the entire 800k

Those players pay are limited in terms of compensation by ELC requirements

They sign early, to get them a year closer to UFA and to burn a year off the ELC so they are eligible for a new contract sooner

- RoloTahmasee


I’m fairly certain that the last time Tryamkin signed in Vancouver he received the entire year’s salary for the remainder of the year. As did Rafferty this past year. How else can you explain that his cap hit was $5+m?
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 10 @ 5:14 PM ET
imo he will be protected whether they have to or not
- johnnykarate


But then what are we supposed to argue about?
johnnykarate
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.03.2018

Jul 10 @ 5:15 PM ET
Both are correct in the contract eligibility expansion year and contract in effect statement. What is missing is duration of NMC at time of expansion draft. Technically a player won't be moving until the next season when that NMC is no longer in effect.

Perhaps it will be published to clarify. Either the expansion draft rules have a clause outlining NMC's expiring July 1. Or, Ferland's contract has a clause stating the NMC is waived or not in effect at time of expansion draft.

- NuckUp


they are property right away

and yes, the league posted a list last time. i imagine with there being plenty of nmc's that change, they will provide some clarification
johnnykarate
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.03.2018

Jul 10 @ 5:18 PM ET
But then what are we supposed to argue about?
- 1970vintage

CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 10 @ 5:20 PM ET
imo he will be protected whether they have to or not
- johnnykarate

I tend to agree. We are in pretty good shape protection wise...a product of a bad/ young team
YeOldTimer
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 10 @ 5:20 PM ET
From the Province article regarding Ferland's signing:

The free-agent winger signed a contract with the Vancouver Canucks on Wednesday.

The contract is four years at US$3.5 million per season, with a no-movement clause for the first two seasons, then a modified no-trade clause for the final two. Ferland has also reportedly agreed to be exposed to the Seattle expansion draft in 2021.
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