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Forums :: Blog World :: Tyler Cameron: Blackhawks trade Henri Jokiharju for Alex Nylander. Why?
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TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 9 @ 8:39 PM ET
Like your honesty .Did not recognize the name . And the poster that posted it is about as negative as it gets .
- oldduffman


We love our negative posters. Every day delivers a brand new quotable.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jul 9 @ 8:42 PM ET
More from Powers:

This trade is ultimately about where the Blackhawks projected Jokiharju. As much as they were working to develop him this season in Chicago and Rockford, they were also assessing him. There were questions about his play in the defensive zone. Some thought he was soft and retreated from physical play. One source said they felt his hockey IQ had allowed him to make that early step into the NHL, but there was a concern how much further he could go.

You don’t trade young players you envision being top-4 defensemen. You especially don’t trade them if you’re the Blackhawks, who haven’t developed a young top-4 defenseman in some time. Jokiharju is 20 years old and entering the second year of his entry-level contract. You wouldn’t trade him unless you already made up your mind about him. It’s obvious the Blackhawks did just that.

- walleyeb1


Im puzzled by this trade. Im beginning to believe when it comes to defensive prospects Bowman just has no clue. How do you give up on a possible top 4 dman? Maybe its best if Bowman concentrates on trading and drafting for forwards and trading or signing for established dmen.

For this trade to happen i truly believe something is going on behind the scenes with him and management. Something
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 9 @ 8:43 PM ET
Well Buffalo fans seem delighted with the trade. I don't feel good about this one so far . Think Stan trying to git a home run on this trade .
- HamiltonHawk


Like your blogger mentioned, it's very difficult to make sense of. Giving up on a rookie defenseman that was a very late 1st round pick 2 years ago that never played against men until his rookie season is extremely curious. Dmen take years to refine, and he already has a ton of talent and ability.

With Nylander, you get much more talent, but you definitely get less ability. Consistency is his #1 issue. Playing a perimeter game is #2. If he can refine and master both, he will be very good. If he can't do both, he will be average at best.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Jul 9 @ 8:43 PM ET
We love our negative posters. Every day delivers a brand new quotable.
- TheSabresTaco

Takes all kinds .Good luck with the Joker ,wish him well in Buffalo .
sabreadvocate1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: ON
Joined: 12.12.2006

Jul 9 @ 8:44 PM ET
They must have believed Joker had profound flaws in his game (I didn't see much out of the ordinary for his age) or Stan is in love with Alex Nylander and really really really wants him in the system and thinks he can make the team and feels the 2 players are comparable........ I mean Joker isn't a prospect, but Nylander is.... Of course maybe Bowman sees Nylander wasting away in the Buffalo system when he could succeed with the Hawks so.....
- Savard2Secord


This may be it. Nylander had short flashes of being very good. Chicago may be a better fit for him.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 9 @ 8:45 PM ET
Im puzzled by this trade. Im beginning to believe when it comes to defensive prospects Bowman just has no clue. How do you give up on a possible top 4 dman? Maybe its best if Bowman concentrates on trading and drafting for forwards and trading or signing for established dmen.

For this trade to happen i truly believe something is going on behind the scenes with him and management. Something

- BetweenTheDots


I get the sense that both players were unhappy. We've felt for years that Nylander has felt entitled to an NHL job. He really hasn't earned a look until the end of last season.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jul 9 @ 8:45 PM ET
That's nothing to brag about
- 6628

Perlini is King-Kong in comparison and how is that working out for him?
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jul 9 @ 8:46 PM ET
Im puzzled by this trade. Im beginning to believe when it comes to defensive prospects Bowman just has no clue. How do you give up on a possible top 4 dman? Maybe its best if Bowman concentrates on trading and drafting for forwards and trading or signing for established dmen.

For this trade to happen i truly believe something is going on behind the scenes with him and management. Something

- BetweenTheDots


I doubt Stan made this decision by himself and had input from JC, the Rockford coaches, and every one else in player development and scouting areas.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jul 9 @ 8:52 PM ET
Nylander puts up 30 goals this season playing with Kane, you heard it here first !
- SoftServe

Has to make the nhl roster first.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jul 9 @ 8:53 PM ET
I can’t really say much about him, haven’t seen him play at all. But somebody must have seen something to take him 8th overall in 2016.
- walleyeb1


Yes, they saw elite skill, but didn't consider the laziness, lack of motivation.

I hate guys like this than guys who "are not good skaters".

You can teach skating, shooting, you can't teach WANT.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jul 9 @ 8:56 PM ET


Truthfully, after some real contact with men, Joki was never the same.

- Return of the Roar


Complete nonsense. Every single measurable showed this kid had real potential and could play. No wait, is this the, "the guy we traded actually sucks play?" Sorry.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jul 9 @ 8:59 PM ET
The hiring of Colliton is going to set the franchise back 5 years. Unsuccessful in Sweden Tier 2, but qualified to take over the Blackhawks?

It’s like having the intern that got his diploma at a med school in the Bahamas do your heart surgery, rather than the Harvard educated Chief of Surgery at Johns Hopkins.

- scottak


Ill give it this year. I think it's either going to be a rousing success or a Titanic level poop show. I see no middle ground this year.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jul 9 @ 9:00 PM ET
They must have believed Joker had profound flaws in his game (I didn't see much out of the ordinary for his age) or Stan is in love with Alex Nylander and really really really wants him in the system and thinks he can make the team and feels the 2 players are comparable........ I mean Joker isn't a prospect, but Nylander is.... Of course maybe Bowman sees Nylander wasting away in the Buffalo system when he could succeed with the Hawks so.....
- Savard2Secord

Joker is a prospect and nothing more. Marco Dano played half a season for Columbus when the Hawks got him in the Saad AA trade and is still in the AHL.
DrewDawg
Joined: 05.10.2016

Jul 9 @ 9:00 PM ET
Maybe imo bowman sees kane doing what he did with the bread man and can help mold him and bring out that untapped potential as the 8th overall draft pick in his draft year.
- Scott1977


Well, still puzzled by the move....or at least picking Joki as the Dman being shipped out, as I agree Joki was the best 2 way Dman prospect we had.

After watching Nylander’s OHL highlights I would have to agree with Scott. His shot is legit and a right handed LW like the breadman. Not sure if hands & speed are the same....but he’s definitely offensively skilled with a wicked snap shot and good on 1 timers on the PP.

There still seems like another move or two... and still a few teams right at the cap limit.
holyJumpin_NL
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 10.29.2018

Jul 9 @ 9:00 PM ET
Simple reasoning here for me.

No takers for AA or Murphy, and they need to sign forwards.

I bet they are far apart with Perlini, so the Hawks low-balled him, and can now, with adding Nylander, add a forward, reduce cap hit, let Perlini sign low or go UFA, and Joki was the price.

Too many young D in the pipeline, and for whatever reasons, Joki was viewed as most expendable.

Truthfully, after some real contact with men, Joki was never the same.

- Return of the Roar
Pretty good logic roar
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jul 9 @ 9:01 PM ET
Joker is a prospect and nothing more. Marco Dano played half a season for Columbus when the Hawks got him in the Saad AA trade and is still in the AHL.
- rpeters01


If Joker is a prospect, then what's that make Nylander? A zygote?
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jul 9 @ 9:01 PM ET
I doubt Stan made this decision by himself and had input from JC, the Rockford coaches, and every one else in player development and scouting areas.
- boilermaker100

Thaat pro scouting staff is starting to become a concern. These are the same guys that recommended Weise and Condiments. Plus, Kimmo.
Colbyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Summerside , PEI
Joined: 12.14.2013

Jul 9 @ 9:02 PM ET
This may be it. Nylander had short flashes of being very good. Chicago may be a better fit for him.
- sabreadvocate1


Big gamble - time will tell
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jul 9 @ 9:02 PM ET
Yes, they saw elite skill, but didn't consider the laziness, lack of motivation.

I hate guys like this than guys who "are not good skaters".

You can teach skating, shooting, you can't teach WANT.

- kwolf68

Like Perlini. Though JC tried all last season.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jul 9 @ 9:04 PM ET
Big gamble - time will tell
- Colbyboy


This is a good take. BIG gamble, time will tell. The history revision about Henri is laughable. ...

Oh he's not that good...except every measurable stat says he is.
And we got "a good young forward", who has royally sucked in the AHL for 3 years now and the book on him is he is a terribly lazy hockey player with very little compete level.

kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jul 9 @ 9:06 PM ET
Like Perlini. Though JC tried all last season.
- Elbows15


I am willing to give Perlini another look. He was basically a throw in with Strome. I think in the end it will end up being Strome for Schmatlz and while we love what Strome did, before he got injured Schmatlz was playing really well. So that deal may end up being a wash, although the Stanbros may not like that take.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jul 9 @ 9:09 PM ET
Simple reasoning here for me.

No takers for AA or Murphy, and they need to sign forwards.

I bet they are far apart with Perlini, so the Hawks low-balled him, and can now, with adding Nylander, add a forward, reduce cap hit, let Perlini sign low or go UFA, and Joki was the price.

Too many young D in the pipeline, and for whatever reasons, Joki was viewed as most expendable.

Truthfully, after some real contact with men, Joki was never the same.

- Return of the Roar

You don't even consider Perlini when making other moves he doesn't rate that high.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jul 9 @ 9:11 PM ET
Well Buffalo fans seem delighted with the trade. I don't feel good about this one so far . Think Stan trying to git a home run on this trade .
- HamiltonHawk

Buffalo has been in the playoffs how many times since 2010?
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Jul 9 @ 9:13 PM ET
You don't even consider Perlini when making other moves he doesn't rate that high.
- rpeters01


When you have no cap room to fill your roster and your dealable pieces aren’t selling, you need to make decisions.

This does follow the pattern of SB selecting other teams’ first round pick busts to see if there is a fit - Jim Hendry thinking but with low risk rookies rather than washed up vets a la Andrew Brunette. At Nylander’s price, it at least gives them time to let the market settle and allow future needs of other teams emerge.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jul 9 @ 9:13 PM ET
Buffalo has been in the playoffs how many times since 2010?
- rpeters01


Other than nothing, that has what to do with this trade?
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