Even is he regresses some he has one of the best shots in the league. It will give around 13-14% IMO.

Just as the argument for Skinner is he is with Eichel he will score more, would that not be the same for Laine?

In fact wouldn’t
Skinner - Eichel - Laine

Be dominant.

VO - Mitts - Reinhart as your 2nd line. Any of those players are interchangeable in the top 6 if you need a line shakeup.

You then have
Vesey - Erod - Johansson
Again two wingers who can move up in a pinch.

That offense is very good.
- ImThatGuy

I would like to have him, especially if the price is Risto, but I wouldn't do the $10/80 deal. A bridge deal worth $7-7.5? Sure. And then when the sample size of his shooting percentage is expanded, gladly give him the max deal

All of this is correct, but the point of an offersheet is to get the other team not to match. And that's disregarding the four firsts. It's not going to be 7 years at $70 million that gets it done. It's probably 7 years at $77-$84 million that gets Winnipeg to consider walking. Is that, along with the four firsts, still worth it?
- buffalofan19

I think that this isn't a question of an offer sheet, but a trade. We offer Risto ++ for Laine, and then sign him to the $10MM contract.

I think that this isn't a question of an offer sheet, but a trade. We offer Risto ++ for Laine, and then sign him to the $10MM contract.
- ajb2493

If I'm a Winnipeg fan, and my team trades Laine, and the best piece I get back is Ristolainen, I'm absolutely livid, regardless of how bad a season he had last year.

If I'm a Winnipeg fan, and my team trades Laine, and the best piece I get back is Ristolainen, I'm absolutely livid, regardless of how bad a season he had last year.
- buffalofan19

Oh absolutely. This all stemmed from 89 saying Sabres talked to Jets about Laine and Risto.

If I'm a Winnipeg fan, and my team trades Laine, and the best piece I get back is Ristolainen, I'm absolutely livid, regardless of how bad a season he had last year.
- buffalofan19

oh it would take a lot more then just Risto.

Penalties drawn last three years

Skinner - 75
Laine -32
- sbroads24

So roughly 10 more penalties per year,
which equals about 2 more goals

That’s not very significant Broads

oh it would take a lot more then just Risto.
- hehateme

Right, but "Ristolainen ++" implies that he is the best piece coming back. There's no way that Winnipeg does that if that's the case, regardless of what the "++" is.

Right, but "Ristolainen ++" implies that he is the best piece coming back. There's no way that Winnipeg does that if that's the case, regardless of what the "++" is.
- buffalofan19

Ya never know.

GMs are dumb sometimes.

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. went 2-for-4 with a double and two runs scored in Sunday's win over the Orioles.
Guerrero is now up to 13 doubles on the season. In addition, the rookie third baseman is hitting .249/.328/.413 with eight home runs, 25 RBI and 29 runs scored through 61 games played. No rest for the much-hyped third baseman as we hit the All-Star break, though, as Guerrero will be taking part in the Home Run Derby on Monday.


Yea, he's gonna look real good in a Yankees's jersey very soon.

I don't watch a ton of Jet's games, but he just might be. Part of putting up a high % is keeping your shot volume down. OV's great, but he's a volume shooter.
- Lunaion

Same, and maybe

I'd still like to see a couple more seasons before deciding which was the aberration, the two high shooting % seasons, or last year when he shot 12%

If you're giving the max deal, you're making that decision pretty quickly

So roughly 10 more penalties per year,
which equals about 2 more goals

That’s not very significant Broads
- jdfitz77

But it’s 2 more goals that isn’t being included in the equation

Same, and maybe

I'd still like to see a couple more seasons before deciding which was the aberration, the two high shooting % seasons, or last year when he shot 12%

If you're giving the max deal, you're making that decision pretty quickly
- jcragcrumple

300 shots a year say with a 12% is still 36 goals. Which is his average first three years in.

I feel like now is a good time to point out Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. Do with that information as you will.

Proof that Darwin was wrong.






- buffalofan19

agreed

I feel like now is a good time to point out Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. Do with that information as you will.
- TheSabresTaco

I wanted to point out some of the same things were said about Hall here.

That the Sabres didn’t need an overpaid, underproducing winger.

Those days were fun.

I think it's riskier to give Laine $10m and hope he shoots at a stratospheric 17-18% which is what he needs to do to get back to where we was before this year
- jcragcrumple

Can’t u say the same thing about Skinner??
Wasn’t his shooting% a bit above his career totals as well

300 shots a year say with a 12% is still 36 goals. Which is his average first three years in.
- ImThatGuy

He shot the most shots he's ever shot this year, and scored the fewest goals he ever scored

I feel like now is a good time to point out Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. Do with that information as you will.
- TheSabresTaco

Botts strategy is to acquire all the defensemen in the market and then force a team to give up their best winger/center. Genius.

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. went 2-for-4 with a double and two runs scored in Sunday's win over the Orioles.
Guerrero is now up to 13 doubles on the season. In addition, the rookie third baseman is hitting .249/.328/.413 with eight home runs, 25 RBI and 29 runs scored through 61 games played. No rest for the much-hyped third baseman as we hit the All-Star break, though, as Guerrero will be taking part in the Home Run Derby on Monday.


Yea, he's gonna look real good in a Yankees's jersey very soon.
- SABRES 89

I feel like now is a good time to point out Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. Do with that information as you will.
- TheSabresTaco

It was also Peter Chiarelli.

That's not something to scoff at.

Can’t u say the same thing about Skinner??
Wasn’t his shooting% a bit above his career totals as well
- jdfitz77

Yeah, but Jeff Skinner shot 14.9, which would not require him to have the best shot in the NHL

His career is 11.2, and he has shot 13-14% on three different occasions

He shot the most shots he's ever shot this year, and scored the fewest goals he ever scored
- jcragcrumple

Argument for Skinner “playing with Eichel will raise his % and keep it there” it shows this is his Highest % to date.

Argument for Laine “his shooting is at an all time low and it could stay that way”

Seems a little off to me.

- homiedclown

I'll be laughing my ass off when's he's our 3rd baseman.

I wanted to point out some of the same things were said about Hall here.

That the Sabres didn’t need an overpaid, underproducing winger.

Those days were fun.
- ImThatGuy

Comparing both of their 3rd years in the league, Hall blew Laine out of the (frank)ing water in all around talent and ability.

Yeah, but Jeff Skinner shot 14.9, which would not require him to have the best shot in the NHL

His career is 11.2, and he has shot 13-14% on three different occasions
- jcragcrumple

He has also shot at 7-9% 4 times...