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drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Jul 10 @ 4:27 PM ET
Just saw Ferland has a NMC for this year and next year. I don’t think he could have gotten a NMC from the Pens. I’d definitely prefer him over Tanev at that contract
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jul 10 @ 4:39 PM ET
Just saw Ferland has a NMC for this year and next year. I don’t think he could have gotten a NMC from the Pens. I’d definitely prefer him over Tanev at that contract
- drummer829

Where did you see that ? That seems like a really Benning type move to make.
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Jul 10 @ 4:45 PM ET
Where did you see that ? That seems like a really Benning type move to make.
- burgh4life87


From puck pedia:
“The Ferland 4 yr $3.5M Cap Hit with #Canucks breakdown:

Year 1: $2.5M Salary $2M Signing Bonus - No Movement Clause (NMC)
Year 2: $3M Salary- NMC
Year 3: $3.75M Salary - Modified No-Trade
Year 4: $2.75M Salary - Modified No-Trade

puckpedia.com/player/michael…

Because the clause becomes a No Trade in year 3, #Canucks can expose Ferland to Seattle in expansion draft (but he can't be traded).”
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 10 @ 5:01 PM ET
From puck pedia:
“The Ferland 4 yr $3.5M Cap Hit with #Canucks breakdown:

Year 1: $2.5M Salary $2M Signing Bonus - No Movement Clause (NMC)
Year 2: $3M Salary- NMC
Year 3: $3.75M Salary - Modified No-Trade
Year 4: $2.75M Salary - Modified No-Trade

puckpedia.com/player/michael…

Because the clause becomes a No Trade in year 3, #Canucks can expose Ferland to Seattle in expansion draft (but he can't be traded).”

- drummer829


The NMC should be in effect until July 1, the start of the new league year - The Expansion draft is sometime in June

from Capfriendly

https://www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft-faq

"No Movement Clauses

Players with a “No Movement” clause that is currently in effect, and continues to be in effect at the time of the Expansion Draft, must be protected by their respective team, unless such players choose to waive their NMC, at which point the team is free to expose them."

EDIT: It should count, Ferland has agreed to waive it for purposes of the Seattle Expansion Draft
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 10 @ 5:08 PM ET
I got drunk with Bugsy Malone a few times. He’s (frank)ing funny. A bunch of the Lightning players too since my buddies work in the locker room.
- j.boyd919

Haha I remember when we ran into him and stamkos and bugsy bought a round of shots and I gave stammer poop for being out when he was recovering from his knee injury.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 10 @ 5:19 PM ET
I’d rather have Tanev honestly. I think Tanev is gonna be better and the window will be barred shut by the time his contract is an actual problem because let’s not kid ourselves: Rutherford will have no interest in moving Tanev while he’s still playing well, so the unmoveability of his contract is not consequential
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jul 10 @ 5:42 PM ET
I’d rather have Tanev honestly. I think Tanev is gonna be better and the window will be barred shut by the time his contract is an actual problem because let’s not kid ourselves: Rutherford will have no interest in moving Tanev while he’s still playing well, so the unmoveability of his contract is not consequential
- Victoro311


Agree.

I think may Ferland may have been be a good add if we had traded Hornqvist. But as the roster currently stands, I'd rather have Tanev.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 10 @ 5:54 PM ET
You know everybody dude, your luck
- kfinl170

I was extremely lucky to land the position that I got. The timing was great. We work with almost 200 pro athletes and I get to work with all the hockey guys. I just signed my first AHL client a couple weeks ago - I want to really start targeting the young AHLers who are higher draft picks. I actually meet PO Joseph a couple weeks ago, dude is pencil thin. Once you meet one of these guys they’re pretty good about introducing you to others.

Like I was sitting down with Hordichuk one day and Corey Hirsch comes over and says “Hey sorry to interrupt, Darcy I gotta run but it was good seeing you.” And me being from the Vancouver area was just like 🥺 for a split second haha. A lot of the guys retire here or end up buying vacation homes here
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 10 @ 5:57 PM ET
Agree.

I think may Ferland may have been be a good add if we had traded Hornqvist. But as the roster currently stands, I'd rather have Tanev.

- YouMeAndDupuis9

He has a decent shot. I think he could’ve potentially been a 40, MAYBE 50 point guy in our top 6 but it’s tough to tell. I skated with him in Swan River wayyyy back when before he went to Brandon. Dude has a ripper of a slapshot. I then went east and his cousin became my winger. Ferland’s cousin was such a pothead. So funny he’d always say stuff like “Hey how’s it goin actually I don’t give a f*ck” 😂
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jul 10 @ 6:40 PM ET
Glad Cullen chose the retirement route. Great role player for the Pens on those cup teams. He was fading in that 2nd year, but I'll never forget game 6 of the Preds series. Damn near our best player in that game.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 10 @ 7:39 PM ET
Matt Cullen tribute vid

https://twitter.com/brcul.../1148992044137947136?s=21
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Jul 10 @ 8:47 PM ET
The NMC should be in effect until July 1, the start of the new league year - The Expansion draft is sometime in June

from Capfriendly

https://www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft-faq

"No Movement Clauses

Players with a “No Movement” clause that is currently in effect, and continues to be in effect at the time of the Expansion Draft, must be protected by their respective team, unless such players choose to waive their NMC, at which point the team is free to expose them."

EDIT: It should count, Ferland has agreed to waive it for purposes of the Seattle Expansion Draft

- RoloTahmasee


Ah ok. What I posted was a direct quote from that Puck Pedia twitter page. But if he’s going to waive it for the expansion, then it doesn’t matter I guess
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jul 11 @ 12:00 AM ET
Matt Cullen tribute vid

https://twitter.com/brcul.../1148992044137947136?s=21

- WSCTeton17

Just waiting for a much deserved Matt Cullen blog. What a good role player.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 11 @ 5:46 AM ET
Gudbranson and Pettersson pairing is the number 2 pairing and it’s not “fine”. It’s a good pairing and Gudbranson is not over paid. So basically just vomited garbage all over a computer screen when all you had to say was Jack Johnson is bad. Jason Botterill 2020!
123Kid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 07.03.2017

Jul 11 @ 6:04 AM ET
They got him for third line money, which isn't bad. I'm not a huge fan, but thought Ferland would get more. Makes me wonder if Gardiner or Dzingel will come at a good salary.
- Tojo.



I think Dzingel will sign in the 3-4 range (probably more towards 3). Gardiner I have a strange feeling he signs for 5-6 mil due to injury concerns. If they do sign for 3 and say 6. I hope JR is still in negotiations, because I would love to bring in Gardiner or Dzingel. Even if it means shopping more players. I do think Gardiner for our second pairing would be amazing. It would be an instant boost to us defensively. Also Dzingel is good enough to score and join our top 6 with ease.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 11 @ 6:19 AM ET
Ryan O'Reilly
- burgh4life87

I love how everyone’s jumping on the O Reilly band wagon. Because you all just knew he had the playoff mvp in him while he was scoring no goals in Buffalo.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 11 @ 6:26 AM ET
Just saw Ferland has a NMC for this year and next year. I don’t think he could have gotten a NMC from the Pens. I’d definitely prefer him over Tanev at that contract
- drummer829

Still don’t understand what’s so bad about this contract?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 11 @ 6:39 AM ET
RW wouldnt believe in gravity if it was overpaid and had bad metrics.
- Guile


How was this gem overlooked?
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jul 11 @ 6:42 AM ET
Still don’t understand what’s so bad about this contract?
- Grinder47

I feel we could've gotten Tanev @ around $2.5M IF we were the Jets...but we are not and he was an UFA. You need to pay to get the guys you want with a specific skill.

Tanev will bring speed and tenacity, things we were lacking. Culture change and GET BACK TO OUR GAME.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jul 11 @ 6:49 AM ET
How was this gem overlooked?
- jmatchett383



I dunno, I thought it was a solid zinger
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 11 @ 7:05 AM ET
I feel we could've gotten Tanev @ around $2.5M IF we were the Jets...but we are not and he was an UFA. You need to pay to get the guys you want with an specifc skill.

Tanev will bring speed and tenacity, things we were lacking. Culture change and GET BACK TO OUR GAME.

- Barnaby36

He’s not a giant vagina like the rest of the middle six group. Give him 8 years. Doesn’t matter.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jul 11 @ 7:44 AM ET
He’s not a giant vagina like the rest of the middle six group. Give him 8 years. Doesn’t matter.
- Grinder47

Lowry would be cool but Blueger seems to be a pretty straight forward guy and won't shy away from contact. He's been through a lot in the AHL.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jul 11 @ 9:15 AM ET
Good article about TANEV and FERLAND. Perhaps we made the right choice for what we needed.

https://pittsburghhockeyn...ial-media-and-the-unkown/
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jul 11 @ 9:19 AM ET
Good article about TANEV and FERLAND. Perhaps we made the right choice for what we needed.

https://pittsburghhockeyn...ial-media-and-the-unkown/

- Barnaby36



Very meh article... and it even notes the importance of Lowry for Tanev.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jul 11 @ 9:27 AM ET
Very meh article... and it even notes the importance of Lowry for Tanev.
- Guile

lol At least it showed Tanev put up better numbers 5 on 5 and in the last 40 games or so even playing 4th line minutes and getting no PP time.

He'll be a valuable guy to have on our roster construction.
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