lol At least it showed Tanev put up better numbers 5 on 5 and in the last 40 games or so even playing 4th line minutes and getting no PP time.

He'll be a valuable guy to have on our roster construction.
- Barnaby36

3 more points in the 40 games, with only 2 of those 3 being 5v5. Not exactly a landslide win.

And all this talk of his being a great defensive forward... hes not. His stats last year just clipped above 50%, and that's only when with Lowry. When away, down to the mid 40s which reflects his prior years. He is good at defense in the same mentality that Jack Johnson is.

He’s not a giant vagina like the rest of the middle six group. Give him 8 years. Doesn’t matter.
- Grinder47

We couldn’t have given him 8 years. 7 would’ve been our limit 🤦🏼‍♂️🔫

lol At least it showed Tanev put up better numbers 5 on 5 and in the last 40 games or so even playing 4th line minutes and getting no PP time.

He'll be a valuable guy to have on our roster construction.
- Barnaby36

Lol good one.

I feel we could've gotten Tanev @ around $2.5M IF we were the Jets...but we are not and he was an UFA. You need to pay to get the guys you want with a specific skill.

Tanev will bring speed and tenacity, things we were lacking. Culture change and GET BACK TO OUR GAME.
- Barnaby36

Okay Disco Dan.

Gudbranson and Pettersson pairing is the number 2 pairing and it’s not “fine”. It’s a good pairing and Gudbranson is not over paid. So basically just vomited garbage all over a computer screen when all you had to say was Jack Johnson is bad. Jason Botterill 2020!
- Grinder47

Nope.

Good article about TANEV and FERLAND. Perhaps we made the right choice for what we needed.

https://pittsburghhockeyn...ial-media-and-the-unkown/
- Barnaby36

Kingerski is a moron. For the same price and less term you could get a player that has a history of producing more at 5v5. Ferland is also physical. Tanev kills penalties, that is the only real difference and Kingerski didn't even mention it lol.

Kingerski is a moron. For the same price and less term you could get a player that has a history of producing more at 5v5. Ferland is also physical. Tanev kills penalties, that is the only real difference and Kingerski didn't even mention it lol.
- burgh4life87

Kingerski is one of the absolutely worst in Pittsburgh. He’s right up there with Rossi and Madden as biggest donkeys of the city.

I dunno, I thought it was a solid zinger
- Guile

I did too!!! Gave me a good laugh.

Kingerski is one of the absolutely worst in Pittsburgh. He’s right up there with Rossi and Madden as biggest donkeys of the city.
- j.boyd919

Madden, while an a$$, does get good Pens info. Has done enough butt kissing to be on the inside.

Kingerski is one of the absolutely worst in Pittsburgh. He’s right up there with Rossi and Madden as biggest donkeys of the city.
- j.boyd919

Like 5 minutes after Dreger announced the Maatta trade, Kingerski tweeted that he was hearing chatter Maatta was being traded it was hilarious.

I hate madden too. He gets the interviews, but he op-ed pieces are always crap and you can see he is just parroting info from internal sources. He is clueless.

Very meh article... and it even notes the importance of Lowry for Tanev.
- Guile

Ferlund's most common linemates were Teravanian, Aho, Hamilton, and Slavin. I'd say that's a lot better than Lowry with his 23 points and 50% corsi.

Tanev played about 800 minutes with Lowry and 140 without. Not blaming you because the stats people put that info out there to blast the signing, but

1) judge Tanev's season mostly by what he did with Lowry

2) it's Adam Lowry. He's a decent shutdown center, but he's not going to artificially inflate people's numbers.

Madden, while an a$$, does get good Pens info. Has done enough butt kissing to be on the inside.
- Doogs

That's it though. His own analysis is dog poo

Ferlund's most common linemates were Teravanian, Aho, Hamilton, and Slavin. I'd say that's a lot better than Lowry with his 23 points and 50% corsi.

Tanev played about 800 minutes with Lower and 140 without. Not blaming you because the stats people put that info out there to blast the trade, but

1) judge Tanev's season mostly by what he did with Lowry

2) it's Adam Lowry. He's a decent shutdown center, but he's not going to artificially inflate people's numbers.
- Tojo.

Lowry's last 2 seasons were a +4.8 and then a +1.6 rel corsi. The lower being the year he had about 86% ice time with Tanev.

To me it looks like he definitely can inflate bottom 6 player's possession stats.

Madden, while an a$$, does get good Pens info. Has done enough butt kissing to be on the inside.
- Doogs

Meh. Maybe sometimes. Not really more than anyone else. Yohe is the best if you’re looking for strictly information. Madden is okay for info but both of their opinions are garbage.

Here's what Kingerski should have said:

The reason Ferlund had more points then Tanev was because 1) he got PP where he picked up 13 points to Tanev's 0, and 2) Ferlund spent half the year on Carolina's top line before they got Nino, while Tanev was stapled to the third line.

Despite the linemate advantage: Ferlund had 11g and 27pts at ES. Tanev ad 12g and 26pt. Tanev also had better relative possession stats, Ferlund's were bad, but he played on Carolina great possession team.

Ferlund's adds more fighting type toughness and a PP net front presence. Tanev is the better skater an penalty killer. Who would you rather have?

And no, I'm not trying to make Tanev any more than the solid third liner he is, just pointing out what Ferlund actually is in comparison.

Lowry's last 2 seasons were a +4.8 and then a +1.6 rel corsi. The lower being the year he had about 86% ice time with Tanev.

To me it looks like he definitely can inflate bottom 6 player's possession stats.
- Guile

Over the last two seasons Lowry saw an increase of 6% in scoring chances for and high danger chances for when playing with Tanev. There is something to his game that he helps generate scoring chances. Maybe that is what the Pens saw? IDK

Lowry's last 2 seasons were a +4.8 and then a +1.6 rel corsi. The lower being the year he had about 86% ice time with Tanev.

To me it looks like he definitely can inflate bottom 6 player's possession stats.
- Guile

1.6% isn't much. He did have slightly better possession numbers without Tanev, but all his scoring chance, goals, and xgoals took a hit.

Lowry only had the one real good possession year which was 2017-18 where he also missed half the season. JMI, but you have to do it more before I credit you the ability to boost your linemate's possession.

Here's what Kingerski should have said:

The reason Ferlund had more points then Tanev was because 1) he got PP where he picked up 13 points to Tanev's 0, and 2) Ferlund spent half the year on Carolina's top line before they got Nino, while Tanev was stapled to the third line.

Despite the linemate advantage: Ferlund had 11g and 27pts at ES. Tanev ad 12g and 26pt. Tanev also had better relative possession stats, Ferlund's were bad, but he played on Carolina great possession team.

Ferlund's adds more fighting type toughness and a PP net front presence. Tanev is the better skater an penalty killer. Who would you rather have?

And no, I'm not trying to make Tanev any more than the solid third liner he is, just pointing out what Ferlund actually is in comparison.
- Tojo.

He also played a lot with Monahan and Gaudreau in CGY

Lowry's last 2 seasons were a +4.8 and then a +1.6 rel corsi. The lower being the year he had about 86% ice time with Tanev.

To me it looks like he definitely can inflate bottom 6 player's possession stats.
- Guile

That said how about cheer for the guy to do well. Seems like a Jacko situation all over again: no benefit of doubt

He also played a lot with Monahan and Gaudreau in CGY
- burgh4life87

Yeah, it happens everywhere. Almost nobody has 6 actual top 6 talents, so they elevate a decent third liner who might bring some fore-checking, defense, etc to the line, thus the middle six wing. If a guy does it long enough (Dupuis, Rust,. Ferlund) he might get considered a top 6 guy.

If Tanev were to end up in the top 6 and score 20/40 this year, I'd still think he's the same guy with better linemates because that's what I expect a third line talent to do in that spot.

That said how about cheer for the guy to do well. Seems like a Jacko situation all over again: no benefit of doubt
- Barnaby36

I don’t dislike Tanev as a player at all. He’s just overpaid. It’s really nothing like the Johnson situation. I think Tanev will do fine in his role and I don’t think the on ice results will be anywhere near as horrendous as JJ. The issue isn’t the player, it’s the contract. With JJ, the issue is the player and the contract.

Yeah, it happens everywhere. Almost nobody has 6 actual top 6 talents, so they elevate a decent third liner who might bring some fore-checking, defense, etc to the line, thus the middle six wing. If a guy does it long enough (Dupuis, Rust,. Ferlund) he might get considered a top 6 guy.

If Tanev were to end up in the top 6 and score 20/40 this year, I'd still think he's the same guy with better linemates because that's what I expect a third line talent to do in that spot.
- Tojo.

https://www.google.com/am...e-nhl-production-analysis

I think people inflate what they believe too 6 should be when they are used to seeing Sid, Geno, Guentzel, Phil rack up points at elite numbers. 20-30 even strength points is second line winger material in the NHL.

While the article is a few years old now it’s still fairly accurate.

QoT is canceled out by QoC over the course of a season btw.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.habseyesontheprize.com/platform/amp/analysis/2015/5/31/8693313/first-line-nhl-production-analysis

I think people inflate what they believe too 6 should be when they are used to seeing Sid, Geno, Guentzel, Phil rack up points at elite numbers. 20-30 even strength points is second line winger material in the NHL.

While the article is a few years old now it’s still fairly accurate.
- j.boyd919

Glanced at it without fully digesting it yet. Feel like we've discussed this before.

I think numbers get dragged down in an article like that because it's including some players who have no business in top 6 roles. But you don't have to be a seventy point player either.

20g or 40pts might get my attention if it's basically all ES, but not when a third of it is on the PP like Ferlund. 25g or 50 pt, I think you start to separate yourself a bit as a top 6.

That's just my evaluation though. Like I said, there aren't enough true top 6 guy to go around so teams have to make do with what they have.

Glanced at it without fully digesting it yet. Feel like we've discussed this before.

I think numbers get dragged down in an article like that because it's including some players who have no business in top 6 roles. But you don't have to be a seventy point player either.

20g or 40pts might get my attention if it's basically all ES, but not when a third of it is on the PP like Ferlund. 25g or 50 pt, I think you start to separate yourself a bit as a top 6.

That's just my evaluation though. Like I said, there aren't enough true top 6 guy to go around so teams have to make do with what they have.
- Tojo.

I think that’s why Scotty Bowman used to always focus on pairs when he was a coach (and so many coaches nowadays do it). Find that pairing that clicks, and the 3rd wheel is interchangeable.