Why are people upset? Everyone supposedly hated Holmgren and now he's out of the way people have an issue with it. Holmgren was a great GM, everyone has bad signings.
- ClaudeFather

Hockey ops needs to be insulated from corporate.

Take the Leafs as an example. Before Shanahan was brought on to act as a firewall, there was nobody to stop MLSE from constantly meddling in hockey decisions and it hurt them on the ice for decades.

As for Homer, it was more than a few bad signings... the guy was ill-equipped to be cap-era GM and it showed.

So he's not president but he is taking on an advisory role? So he's still with the team? Getting paid? Maybe I comprehend at a 5th grade level?
- Pelle31Forever

Basically he retired.

So he's not president but he is taking on an advisory role? So he's still with the team? Getting paid? Maybe I comprehend at a 5th grade level?
- Pelle31Forever

Well, Homer says that it was his idea to step down, but my guess is that he was given the "advisor" title and some $$$ to cushion the blow of being fired.

Basically he retired.
- Tomahawk

Good for him then.

Hockey ops needs to be insulated from corporate.

Take the Leafs as an example. Before Shanahan was brought on to act as a firewall, there was nobody to stop MLSE from constantly meddling in hockey decisions and it hurt them on the ice for decades.

As for Homer, it was more than a few bad signings... the guy was ill-equipped to be cap-era GM and it showed.
- Tomahawk

Ahh the Corporate CEO in the GMs ear, what could go wrong. Hopefully Scott has trust in Fletcher and will let him go about his business.

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Arbitration, DBL, Caravan, Barber and More
- bmeltzer

Paul Holmgren.

Thank you for the 2008 Eastern Conference Final. Thank you for the 2010 Stanley Cup Final. Thank you for Peter Laviolette, Chris Pronger, Danny Briere, Kimmo Timonen, Scott Hartnell, Wayne Simmonds, Jake Voracek, Sean Couturier and Jaromir Jagr.

Thank for keeping us Competitive.

The bean counters are now in full control. The Philadelphia Flyers we have known our whole lives are now gone

RIP

Adios. I'd present him with a framed copy of MacDonald's contract as a parting gift.
- PLindbergh31

Bike riding off into a glassy sunset

So he's not president but he is taking on an advisory role? So he's still with the team? Getting paid? Maybe I comprehend at a 5th grade level?
- Pelle31Forever

This will still allow him to sign bryz’s paychecks

So he's not president but he is taking on an advisory role? So he's still with the team? Getting paid? Maybe I comprehend at a 5th grade level?
- Pelle31Forever

Longtime Philadelphia Flyers senior executive Paul Holmgren will take on a new role as Senior Advisor to Dave Scott, @ComcstSpectacor Chairman and CEO and Governor of the Philadelphia Flyers, and #Flyers General Manager Chuck Fletcher.

I don't know what else needs to be said.

The bean counters are now in full control. The Philadelphia Flyers we have known our whole lives are now gone

RIP
- corduroy

Snider meddled, but he was more like that fuddyduddy from Jurassic Park who 'spared no expense' to make the park wonderful.

Scott's like the lawyer that got eaten by the TRex. He doesn't care about dinos, the science or the spectacle... he only cares about the brand and maximizing shareholder value.

Snider meddled, but he was more like that fuddyduddy from Jurassic Park who 'spared no expense' to make the park wonderful.

Scott's like the lawyer that got eaten by the TRex. He doesn't care about dinos, the science or the spectacle... he only cares about the brand and maximizing shareholder value.


- Tomahawk

As evidence by what so far or is this just preparatory doom and gloom.

Well, Homer says that it was his idea to step down, but my guess is that he was given the "advisor" title and some $$$ to cushion the blow of being fired.
- Dkos

I thought he had been asking for a lesser role since last year. I think this is what he wants. There was talk about this a couple months ago but it was denied by Scott and Homer. Must have been some truth to it.

As evidence by what so far or is this just preparatory doom and gloom.
- opeth_pa

“bias for action”

As evidence by what so far or is this just preparatory doom and gloom.
- opeth_pa

You really need a recap?

Snider dies, Flyers miss the PO's, Scott proclaims "The Flyers are going to go for it every year. That's our heritage", then shortly pulls the plug on Hexy's process because he "didn’t want to lose two seasons" (translation: didn't want to miss those PO bucks, risk further brand tarnishing), and then you have all the 'bias for action' from summer 2019.

wait so Clarke and Holmgren are no longer telling Fletcher what to do? must be fake news

Bike riding off into a glassy sunset
- Just5

Harsh 🙃

You really need a recap?

Snider dies, Flyers miss the PO's, Scott proclaims "The Flyers are going to go for it every year. That's our heritage", then shortly pulls the plug on Hexy's process because he "didn’t want to lose two seasons" (translation: didn't want to miss those PO bucks, risk further brand tarnishing), and then you have all the 'bias for action' from summer 2019.
- Tomahawk

How does the story go if sniders still alive? Snider patiently waits while hexy keeps extending the grand master plan? Patiently awaiting the arrival of the treasure trove of prospects?

You really need a recap?

Snider dies, Flyers miss the PO's, Scott proclaims "The Flyers are going to go for it every year. That's our heritage", then shortly pulls the plug on Hexy's process because he "didn’t want to lose two seasons" (translation: didn't want to miss those PO bucks, risk further brand tarnishing), and then you have all the 'bias for action' from summer 2019.
- Tomahawk

See also, home opener in Europe in conjunction with elevated ticket prices after a down season.

You really need a recap?

Snider dies, Flyers miss the PO's, Scott proclaims "The Flyers are going to go for it every year. That's our heritage", then shortly pulls the plug on Hexy's process because he "didn’t want to lose two seasons" (translation: didn't want to miss those PO bucks, risk further brand tarnishing), and then you have all the 'bias for action' from summer 2019.
- Tomahawk

Needs a few edits. Not enough "Team Negative" elements to it.

How does the story go if sniders still alive? Snider patiently waits while hexy keeps extending the grand master plan? Patiently awaiting the arrival of the treasure trove of prospects?
- Just5

Snider had given full approval to Hexy's plan.

In the absence of results, I'm sure he would have pulled the plug eventually, but probably not before the forward crop of kids came up to join the kids on D.

He's also pretty loyal to former Flyers luminaries, so that would have bought Hexy some extra time, too.

Snider had given full approval to Hexy's plan.

In the absence of results, I'm sure he would have pulled the plug eventually, but probably not before the forward crop of kids came up to join the kids on D.

He's also pretty loyal to former Flyers luminaries, so that would have bought Hexy some extra time, too.
- Tomahawk

I think his patience would have been severely tested at around the same time as well....no matter what he initially signed off on

You really need a recap?

Snider dies, Flyers miss the PO's, Scott proclaims "The Flyers are going to go for it every year. That's our heritage", then shortly pulls the plug on Hexy's process because he "didn’t want to lose two seasons" (translation: didn't want to miss those PO bucks, risk further brand tarnishing), and then you have all the 'bias for action' from summer 2019.
- Tomahawk

Some people have no issues with the approach that has been taken so far..
Some people have issues with approach that has been taken so far.

As long as one of those approaches leads to a cup that is all I care about.. Dont care if they win the Cap Cup in July..Dont care if they make Flyersbuzz GM's happy..I just want a damn cup.

I think his patience would have been severely tested at around the same time as well....no matter what he initially signed off on
- Just5

He wanted to see the team win a Cup before he died. He understood (after years of 'going for it' under Clarke and Homer) that Hexy's way would lead to the widest possible window, given the cap.

You really need a recap?

Snider dies, Flyers miss the PO's, Scott proclaims "The Flyers are going to go for it every year. That's our heritage", then shortly pulls the plug on Hexy's process because he "didn’t want to lose two seasons" (translation: didn't want to miss those PO bucks, risk further brand tarnishing), and then you have all the 'bias for action' from summer 2019.
- Tomahawk

It has been explained both by Jay Greenberg and by me why Hexy was fired. It boiled down to this: If you are winning, you can get away with tightening the circle around you and not knowing the nuances of managing up or realizing that some unpopular internal decisions can cause collateral damage: strains in relationships, a snowballing whisper-down-the-lane effect, etc. If you aren't winning but you know how to manage up and outwardly to other channels within the organization, you can buy yourself more time.

If you aren't winning AND your managing style has undesired effects -- even accidentally, as was the case with Hexy -- your job is in severe jeopardy. That is why he was fired. The farm system rebuild part and cap space management were his biggest strengths as well as his main focus.

Next time around as a GM -- and I think Ron deserves another shot somewhere -- I think he will do better at the managing up/around aspects.