Blow it up. Tank it. Fire Babs. Fire Dubas.
- gergeswillems

Sell the team, build a new arena, make a new league.

Maybe no one wants him at that cap hit. Maybe teams are saying they want the Leafs to eat 1.9 million per year.
- aminnes

I honestly doubt this..

I rag on Nylander because I hate how he performed when he came back. To me, it was a spit in the face. He came back out of shape and did (frank) all.

But all that being said, the skill is there. He’s a very very good player. He would probably be a 1C on a lot of teams.. so I think his value is what it is, and isn’t all that bad compared to other players. I don’t think the leafs would have to eat any cap, and they should be able to get a good return for him.

It takes time to learn how to win.

Now it is time for a playoff run. Caps was a good learning experience. Boston round 1 Boston was the better team. Boston round 2 there was no excuse...

Time to win.
- Santo_44

Bergeron & Sid could teach them all how to win. Neither gets paid the money wannabes are getting. All purpose all situation stars are the best for a reason. Marner plays in all the situations like they do as does Kane. C’s don’t get more than wingers automatically over every winger in the NHL.

Nylander is not overpaid, not even a little. However the leafs will need to reallocate money from up front to the back end. Nylander is the only expendable player that also clears up the cap space we need.
- Njuice

He’s expendable by default when there are 10 players at or near the league minimum contract.

Sell the team, build a new arena, make a new league.
- daeth

Reincarnate the WHA 😂😂

Honestly no surprise there, everyone knows the Leafs will match and the Bergy offersheet joke of a try frontloading like that does nothing cause of MLSE's deep pockets. There is no forcing this.

Only way a team can do it is go north of things being outright stupid with money and coughing up 4 1sts in the process to ensure there is no matching. Nobody is that stupid really, and truth is a lot of teams are starting to wind up with using up the cap space.

Longer this goes the longer Marner is backed and painted into the corner of having to accept and deal with he ain't getting that 11mil there. I think this is just going to come down to Dubas isn't going to blink here and Marner in the end does want to be here so get it done, likely before camp opens really.

If it was going to happen it would've happened by now. Dubas is playing this perfectly by calling Paul Marner's bluff. He's left himself enough cap space to match any offer taking away any leverage another team may have.

This will drag on a bit but I'd be surprised if Marner isn't signed before training camp. Marner saw first hand how much Nylander missing camp and regular season games hurt him. In the meantime there's no real urgency for either side to blink right now.
- gergeswillems

You are assuming he would actually care how he plays after he got paid. I’m not so sure. Not that he will purposefully play poorly after signing a deal but it’s clear the #1 priority for these guys is to get paid max dollars... fielding a winning team etc is way down in the list. I don’t know how you could argue otherwise given evidence so far.

I mean even if he sucks this year after holding out first half of the season, as long as he reverts back to his normal self next year and year after, people won’t remember this year and he will get paid again in UFA. Then it’s mission accomplished as far as Marner is concerned. He got paid max dollars and everything else would be a side show.

Honestly no surprise there, everyone knows the Leafs will match and the Bergy offersheet joke of a try frontloading like that does nothing cause of MLSE's deep pockets. There is no forcing this.

Only way a team can do it is go north of things being outright stupid with money and coughing up 4 1sts in the process to ensure there is no matching. Nobody is that stupid really, and truth is a lot of teams are starting to wind up with using up the cap space.

Longer this goes the longer Marner is backed and painted into the corner of having to accept and deal with he ain't getting that 11mil there. I think this is just going to come down to Dubas isn't going to blink here and Marner in the end does want to be here so get it done, likely before camp opens really.
- Roadrunner75

Not sure why Marner would feel more pressured...

Have to now. Club already set the precedent. I would however trade away one of the overpaid guys, Nylander.
- aminnes

He have they set precedence?

How is nylander overpaid?

jagr

so...
dubas gets fired by leafs in 2y from now.
toronto gets a second team (arizona relocation).
the toronto new team will hire dubas as gm.
who of you will swith to support the toronto nerdies?

Maybe no one wants him at that cap hit. Maybe teams are saying they want the Leafs to eat 1.9 million per year.
- aminnes

what

How on earth do you figure teams don't want him at that cap hit? Where do you get 1.9?

If you can get the other team to retain then that's great. Leafs got Avs to retain half of Barrie's cap hit, does that make Barrie worthless beyond 2.5mil?


Nylander isn't overpaid.

what

How on earth do you figure teams don't want him at that cap hit? Where do you get 1.9?

If you can get the other team to retain then that's great. Leafs got Avs to retain half of Barrie's cap hit, does that make Barrie worthless beyond 2.5mil?


Nylander isn't overpaid.
- burn

i would agree there are at least 10 teams that are willing to take willie at 6.9aav.

so...
dubas gets fired by leafs in 2y from now.
toronto gets a second team (arizona relocation).
the toronto new team will hire dubas as gm.
who of you will swith to support the toronto nerdies?
- MaximusAurelius

No, you don't have irrational hate for the guy.

Not at all.

This is just normal behaviour.

i would agree there are at least 10 teams that are willing to take willie at 6.9aav.
- MaximusAurelius

There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't value him at that.

Not a question at all.

so...
dubas gets fired by leafs in 2y from now.
toronto gets a second team (arizona relocation).
the toronto new team will hire dubas as gm.
who of you will swith to support the toronto nerdies?
- MaximusAurelius

What the (frank) are you talking about

He’s expendable by default when there are 10 players at or near the league minimum contract.
- Nighthawk

Yeah but the main reason I consider him expendable to the Leafs is because we are loaded with wingers. Marner is elite. One of the best in the NHL. With two elite C's and one elite RW you can fill out a top 9 or top 6 with good wingers. Johnsson and Kapanen signed for 4yrs/3yrs at bargain prices. Hyman is a top 6 winger when he's on a line with two talented players.

Nylander is unnecessary and quite frankly I would start him on the third line until he decides to play with more passion and more 'give a (frank)edness'. I see that jackass trying to thread the blueline in the O-zone like he's Mitch Marner or Morgan Rielly... but he's not, so the other team ends up on breakaways

Yeah but the main reason I consider him expendable to the Leafs is because we are loaded with wingers. Marner is elite. One of the best in the NHL. With two elite C's and one elite RW you can fill out a top 9 or top 6 with good wingers. Johnsson and Kapanen signed for 4yrs/3yrs at bargain prices. Hyman is a top 6 winger when he's on a line with two talented players.

Nylander is unnecessary and quite frankly I would start him on the third line until he decides to play with more passion and more 'give a (frank)edness'. I see that jackass trying to thread the blueline in the O-zone like he's Mitch Marner or Morgan Rielly... but he's not, so the other team ends up on breakaways
- Njuice

He's on Matthews wing day one. No doubt. They work wonderful together. They compliment each other perfectly

He's on Matthews wing day one. No doubt. They work wonderful together. They compliment each other perfectly
- burn

I hope so. I hope he has a great year and then we trade him.

He has great offensive talents. Last year he just didn't play with any sense of urgency. Yes he carries the puck well and holds onto it well but then he has a momentary lapse where I feel like he forgets he was playing hockey. Split second later the other team's on a breakaway. Frustrating as hell.

I watched him once backcheck like a mother(frank)er...skate past the guy he should cover, look directly at him, then float away. (frank). He already did the hard work... and shortly after Willie floated away from his check(that he worked his ass off to catch) Kyle mother(frank)ing Quincey receives a pass and scores the game winning goal for the Red Wings from just inside the blueline. WTF

I hope so. I hope he has a great year and then we trade him.

He has great offensive talents. Last year he just didn't play with any sense of urgency. Yes he carries the puck well and holds onto it well but then he has a momentary lapse where I feel like he forgets he was playing hockey. Split second later the other team's on a breakaway. Frustrating as hell.

I watched him once backcheck like a mother(frank)er...skate past the guy he should cover, look directly at him, then float away. (frank). He already did the hard work... and shortly after Willie floated away from his check(that he worked his ass off to catch) Kyle mother(frank)ing Quincey receives a pass and scores the game winning goal for the Red Wings from just inside the blueline. WTF
- Njuice

Don't forget that Nylander did just turn 23. Matthews is turning 22 in September, and Marner turned 22 in May. Forwards are usually pretty poor defensively in their first few years. While Matthews and Marner receive accolades for their defensive play, those accolades are probably more as something like, "I mean, compared to Kessel", because they are still pretty poor in their own zone. Nylander is worse, I'll agree, but they are all going to get better.

I honestly doubt this..

I rag on Nylander because I hate how he performed when he came back. To me, it was a spit in the face. He came back out of shape and did (frank) all.

But all that being said, the skill is there. He’s a very very good player. He would probably be a 1C on a lot of teams.. so I think his value is what it is, and isn’t all that bad compared to other players. I don’t think the leafs would have to eat any cap, and they should be able to get a good return for him.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

1c 🤭, maybe on the Sens I guess.

Honestly no surprise there, everyone knows the Leafs will match and the Bergy offersheet joke of a try frontloading like that does nothing cause of MLSE's deep pockets. There is no forcing this.

Only way a team can do it is go north of things being outright stupid with money and coughing up 4 1sts in the process to ensure there is no matching. Nobody is that stupid really, and truth is a lot of teams are starting to wind up with using up the cap space.

Longer this goes the longer Marner is backed and painted into the corner of having to accept and deal with he ain't getting that 11mil there. I think this is just going to come down to Dubas isn't going to blink here and Marner in the end does want to be here so get it done, likely before camp opens really.
- Roadrunner75

It would suck if this goes as long as Nylanders, 2 years in a row with a top line player not playing would be a bit of a failure.

I still like how Marners camp asked for too much on the offer sheet and blew their load ahead of time.

No, you don't have irrational hate for the guy.

Not at all.

This is just normal behaviour.
- burn

Max is a (frank)ing mess.

They never run out of cake in the Marner household apparently.