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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 15 @ 7:35 PM ET
Yeah sorry. Wasn’t clear enough. Like they didn’t make Head way before but now since he is signed have put some focus on it.
- peesinwind


Gotcha! I do it all the time myself.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jul 15 @ 8:00 PM ET
Glad you guys made up.

Now.. how does this online beer thing work?

- peesinwind


BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 15 @ 8:49 PM ET
It’s really not that complicated.

Is Hagg a legit NHL Dman? Yes

Is he a good NHL Dman? No

Is he a guy who should never be more than a 7/8 depth guy on a Cup contender? Yes

And that, kids, is that.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 15 @ 8:52 PM ET
It’s really not that complicated.

Is Hagg a legit NHL Dman? Yes

Is he a good NHL Dman? No

Is he a guy who should never be more than a 7/8 depth guy on a Cup contender? Yes

And that, kids, is that.

- BiggE


We already shook hands

But can a 2c play on the first line?? I mean coots is a 3c and he did it just fine
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jul 15 @ 8:52 PM ET
I cannot believe how fundamentally bad the Phillies play baseball. How much longer can Kapler last?
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 15 @ 8:53 PM ET
I cannot believe how fundamentally bad the Phillies play baseball. How much longer can Kapler last?
- Sinisalo4vr


Cant load the bases twice and then not score a single run
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 15 @ 8:55 PM ET
We already shook hands

But can a 2c play on the first line?? I mean coots is a 3c and he did it just fine

- bulet13

LOL
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 15 @ 8:56 PM ET
I cannot believe how fundamentally bad the Phillies play baseball. How much longer can Kapler last?
- Sinisalo4vr

I’d be surprise if he’s still their manager by August 1st
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 15 @ 8:57 PM ET
I cannot believe how fundamentally bad the Phillies play baseball. How much longer can Kapler last?
- Sinisalo4vr

I don't get how they can go out and throw 300 million at one player and then not be buying pitching when they so badly need it.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jul 15 @ 8:58 PM ET


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bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 15 @ 9:00 PM ET
I don't get how they can go out and throw 300 million at one player and then not be buying pitching when they so badly need it.
- hereticpride


Kuechal was available for half the season and then a division opponent got him
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 15 @ 9:01 PM ET
It’s really not that complicated.

Is Hagg a legit NHL Dman? Yes

Is he a good NHL Dman? No

Is he a guy who should never be more than a 7/8 depth guy on a Cup contender? Yes

And that, kids, is that.

- BiggE


Haag is still young for a defenseman. He's 24 years old and has played 2 NHL seasons. He has room to grow as a player. I think he's being underrated somewhat. The book is not written on him yet.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 15 @ 9:04 PM ET
Haag is still young for a defenseman. He's 24 years old and has played 2 NHL seasons. He has room to grow as a player. I think he's being underrated somewhat. The book is not written on him yet.
- MJL

Maybe, but I just don’t see the hockey sense in him that a Dman needs to be successful, and I don’t think that’s something that can be taught.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jul 15 @ 9:20 PM ET
Maybe, but I just don’t see the hockey sense in him that a Dman needs to be successful, and I don’t think that’s something that can be taught.
- BiggE


He still has value. Out of all the D plunders that the Flyers have amassed over the past several years he is not the most exciting or one with high end potential.

I don’t see a big future with the Flyers.

But he is an NHL caliber D man. I agree with BiggE in the fact that on a cup team he is not a guy you want on the ice. Right now

MJL is right that his future is not done. The guy is young and D are funny in their development. I get BiggE that maybe he doesn’t have the smarts but he can hit the piss out of guys.

I hope he gets squeezed out of the Flyers’ line up because of pure talent but he will stay in the NHL for a long time. There are a lot of teams without the Flyers’ riches.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 15 @ 9:58 PM ET
Maybe, but I just don’t see the hockey sense in him that a Dman needs to be successful, and I don’t think that’s something that can be taught.
- BiggE


He made it to the NHL as a 2nd round pick through the AHL. You don't do that without hockey sense. He's not a ultra talented puck mover and scorer from the back end. He needs to get more consistent and handle the puck better but he has showed plenty of promise as a player that may be able to be a solid 3rd pair NHL defender with a physical edge to his game.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jul 15 @ 10:30 PM ET

The link to the new article Bill wrote, if anyone missed it.

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...-college-kids/c-308262592

With all the kids coming up, this is need to know stuff.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jul 15 @ 10:32 PM ET
Maybe, but I just don’t see the hockey sense in him that a Dman needs to be successful, and I don’t think that’s something that can be taught.
- BiggE


How about Braun? People on this site crush him and act like he is not worth a couple picks but the dude is a solid NHLer. Top 4 talent.

Again I fall back to my soft argument that the GM was targeting him for a reason. He saw a fit. Not sure he is right but he has more hockey smarts then me so I wi go along with it until I see otherwise.

Hägg gives the Flyers some needed depth there along with Morin (who I secretly think is going to be a stud on the back end and on the PK)

They have a great top six right now when you can’t see either one of those two studs in the line up. This D has some great depth.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jul 15 @ 10:38 PM ET
The link to the new article Bill wrote, if anyone missed it.

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...-college-kids/c-308262592

With all the kids coming up, this is need to know stuff.

- NC Flyers Fan


Yeah, nice read and thanks for posting. Keeping track of all the college boys is different then I’m used to. 10 years ago not so many high prospects took the
College route. But now a days we are seeing more and more. Maybe with the influx of US development players it is becoming a more popular route. Able to slide all those ELC years is helpful. European players help in this regard also.

NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jul 15 @ 10:44 PM ET
Yeah, nice read and thanks for posting. Keeping track of all the college boys is different then I’m used to. 10 years ago not so many high prospects took the
College route. But now a days we are seeing more and more. Maybe with the influx of US development players it is becoming a more popular route. Able to slide all those ELC years is helpful. European players help in this regard also.

- peesinwind


Considering our prospect depth, I was thinking this too. I used to only follow a couple or handful of guys I thought would make the Flyers. Now that has changed as they have so many that could make it. Bill is helping to educate me.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jul 15 @ 10:52 PM ET
Considering our prospect depth, I was thinking this too. I used to only follow a couple or handful of guys I thought would make the Flyers. Now that has changed as they have so many that could make it. Bill is helping to educate me.
- NC Flyers Fan


We only have a few high end guys but the over all depth is awesome. It is the way of building teams now. Build from the draft. They will need those ELC deals to keep it under the cap. Have to recycle young talent in the lineup. They can’t sign all these D prospects when the deals end. The kids are going to get paid. That is why York and other D in the pipeline are so important.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jul 15 @ 11:00 PM ET
We only have a few high end guys but the over all depth is awesome. It is the way of building teams now. Build from the draft. They will need those ELC deals to keep it under the cap. Have to recycle young talent in the lineup. They can’t sign all these D prospects when the deals end. The kids are going to get paid. That is why York and other D in the pipeline are so important.
- peesinwind


Yep. It’s fun to root for favorites, but I know they won’t all be able to play for the Flyers. And depth at one time may force some to be traded or not re-signed. Kind of like if they go into the season with 8 d-men; eventually as they get a look, barring injuries, I would imagine someone goes.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Jul 15 @ 11:38 PM ET
How about Braun? People on this site crush him and act like he is not worth a couple picks but the dude is a solid NHLer. Top 4 talent.

Again I fall back to my soft argument that the GM was targeting him for a reason. He saw a fit. Not sure he is right but he has more hockey smarts then me so I wi go along with it until I see otherwise.

Hägg gives the Flyers some needed depth there along with Morin (who I secretly think is going to be a stud on the back end and on the PK)

They have a great top six right now when you can’t see either one of those two studs in the line up. This D has some great depth.

- peesinwind


If Morin is in line up that means Ghost or Sanheim has been traded, or Provy is holding out. I can't see us trading Sanheim, despite Eks rumor. Once Provy signs, d logjam gets a little clearer. I would assume Hagg is out and Morin is 7th. But what do I know. I believe Myers is the only young d waiver exempt. It will be interesting.

My honest opinion is that we need Big Sam in the line up. But can't justify it over Ghost or Sanheim.
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Jul 16 @ 8:10 AM ET
If Morin is in line up that means Ghost or Sanheim has been traded, or Provy is holding out. I can't see us trading Sanheim, despite Eks rumor. Once Provy signs, d logjam gets a little clearer. I would assume Hagg is out and Morin is 7th. But what do I know. I believe Myers is the only young d waiver exempt. It will be interesting.

My honest opinion is that we need Big Sam in the line up. But can't justify it over Ghost or Sanheim.

- cdearth23


That depends if they run Sanheim on his off side...if Provy/Sandman, Ghost/Nisky you absolutely could do Morin/Braun and have Hagg as 7
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 16 @ 8:28 AM ET
That depends if they run Sanheim on his off side...if Provy/Sandman, Ghost/Nisky you absolutely could do Morin/Braun and have Hagg as 7
- juiced



Myers?
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jul 16 @ 9:36 AM ET
That depends if they run Sanheim on his off side...if Provy/Sandman, Ghost/Nisky you absolutely could do Morin/Braun and have Hagg as 7
- juiced


Good problem to have when you can’t find a way to get either Morin or Myers in the line up.

The kids will play themselves into the line up.
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