There's so many teams in "Cap Hell" that are never even mentioned. Benning is making such a mess.

700K for Spezzza is fantastic signing. None of this bullpoop 3-5 million for 3rd and 4th liners.
- RogerRoeper

Well fanboy we are not in cap hell. The day a $700k over the hill signing is fantastic is the day when there is other options to spend more & not buy a plug.

If they sign all those players one is guaranteed to be picked in the expansion draft.

In other words they don’t need all of them.
- Santo_44

Can’t resign them all so it’s moot. I’d enjoy this season & get over the hump as the immediate goal.

Cap will be About $100 million in 2021-22 and that $40 million will be a bargain. Loui Eriksson will still be a voluntary $6 Million tax, ditto for the $3 million for Luongo recapture. On the other hand, you will be paying Pettersson maybe $12 Million by then, and Boeser maybe $9 or $10 You will have $30 million plus tied up in two players basically. You will still have Miller and Ferland on your books - close to another $10 million. Sven and Beagle another $6 big ones - Leafs don't have these

And trades happen and contracts expire as you correctly point out. Only problem is, Dubas has been working on getting rid of bad contracts while Benning is collecting them. And this might be news to you, but paying top dollar for a really good player is not so bad. What is bad, is paying a really lousy player like Eriksson $6 million or Bobby Ryan $7.25 Million over a long term deal and they sh!t the bed.
- winsix

$100m is farfetched to guess on. The cap is not going up 25%. It’s results that count not the cost of them. Lets see.

So does it always have to come down to a pissin match here or is it too difficult to talk hockey in these dog days?

Over on my blog we get enough of the spinny fickle fans as it is lol

As you all know i’m no Leafs fan but i am a hockey fan thru & thru & enjoy the banter.

Not necessarily. It was sent to Carolina, conditionally, in the Marleau trade. I believe that it's lottery protected.

Cap will be About $100 million in 2021-22 and that $40 million will be a bargain. Loui Eriksson will still be a voluntary $6 Million tax, ditto for the $3 million for Luongo recapture. On the other hand, you will be paying Pettersson maybe $12 Million by then, and Boeser maybe $9 or $10 You will have $30 million plus tied up in two players basically. You will still have Miller and Ferland on your books - close to another $10 million. Sven and Beagle another $6 big ones - Leafs don't have these

And trades happen and contracts expire as you correctly point out. Only problem is, Dubas has been working on getting rid of bad contracts while Benning is collecting them. And this might be news to you, but paying top dollar for a really good player is not so bad. What is bad, is paying a really lousy player like Eriksson $6 million or Bobby Ryan $7.25 Million over a long term deal and they sh!t the bed.
- winsix

The cap will NOT be $100 million in three years.

From last blog-

Oh yeah. That was pretty amusing while it lasted. I was honestly a bit surprised at some of the ones that moved on over others.


As for the turning a new leaf thing... If you're actually serious and not playing a joke... Welcome?

So as you probably watched a lot of him when he was on the Avs, what are your thoughts on Barrie?
- Thecakeisalie

I wasn't even apart of the voting. Obviously it's because I'm so awesome, cool, and popular.

No argument there. Lets see how these years play out & how far $40m in 4 F’s goes. Contracts do expire & trades do happen. Not every team uses 10 minimum contracts as plays with 21-22 rosters on purpose.

How much will it cost to resign Freddie Barrie Dermott & Muzzin? Ceci is gone no doubt.
- Nighthawk

No idea what Barrie and Muzzin would cost to re-sign but Dermott probably won't make a whole lot (probably $2ish on a 3 or 4 year deal) and Freddy won't be a huge upgrade over his current deal. Maybe a million or two.

No idea what Barrie and Muzzin would cost to re-sign but Dermott probably won't make a whole lot (probably $2ish on a 3 or 4 year deal) and Freddy won't be a huge upgrade over his current deal. Maybe a million or two.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Going rate for decent D or better would be more than $2m-ish & the term is another story. Imo
Freddie sounds about right.

The cap will NOT be $100 million in three years.
- RafiDRW

The most optimistic I could see is $90m. The cap was supposed to get to $83m this year, but they held it back to give escrow relief, and they are proposing the same thing next year, before going back to normal growth.

So if you have revenue growth of 4.4% this year, and let's project the same in the next two years, after holding back the target for 2 years to reduce escrow, my thinking would be that the cap would either go to $86.5m at the low end or to $90m if they release the withheld growth.

Much as it would be nice to lock up Dermott early it's not a big deal either way. Did Kapanen and Johnsson end up with 5+ million per year deals because of a wait to sign them to this summer? Dermott just isn't going to be in a position to demand much and he knows it. Hasn't played a ton of games and with the time missed to start the season he's still not going to have a lot of games under his resume. At best he's playing his off side with Muzzin or Rielly or he's third pairing LD. Not going to get PP time ahead of Rielly or Barrie. It will get sorted into something reasonable next year.

The only thing that really matters right now is figuring out that Marner business. And sadly we'll have to sit and wait a while on that.
- FlareKnight

I think it wouldn’t be wise to sign him yet.

Let’s see how Muzzin fits in here with Barrie. Let’s see how Sandin and Lil are this year.

There are a lot of variables here...And Dermott is a wild card. He could have a monster year and will be locked in at #2LHD or he could be stagnant in his development and remain a #3LHD.

He could be a locked in Leaf for many years, a cap casualty or an expansion draft candadate.

Can’t resign them all so it’s moot. I’d enjoy this season & get over the hump as the immediate goal.
- Nighthawk

No they can’t and Dubas doesn’t plan to I would think.

Sandin and Liljegren are coming up the ranks here. Howell as well...plenty of variables and there’s zero point in thinking about who’s getting the money at this point.

Mike Augello: Defensive decisions - Part I; Travis Dermott
- mikeinbuffalo

nice alliteration 👍

The most optimistic I could see is $90m. The cap was supposed to get to $83m this year, but they held it back to give escrow relief, and they are proposing the same thing next year, before going back to normal growth.

So if you have revenue growth of 4.4% this year, and let's project the same in the next two years, after holding back the target for 2 years to reduce escrow, my thinking would be that the cap would either go to $86.5m at the low end or to $90m if they release the withheld growth.
- Monkeypunk

https://www.forbes.com/si...y-is-coming/#65ca57354e44

US TV deal currently contributes $6.4 Million to the cap. It is $200 million a year from NBC. US TV deal for NFL contributes $255 million per team per year, about $90 million for NBA. A significant yearly increase is anticipated, the exact figure is unknown. This increase will be independent of the 4 -5% increase anticipated every year. So your figure of $90 million is probably on the light side.

So does it always have to come down to a pissin match here or is it too difficult to talk hockey in these dog days?

Over on my blog we get enough of the spinny fickle fans as it is lol

As you all know i’m no Leafs fan but i am a hockey fan thru & thru & enjoy the banter.
- Nighthawk

Said the troll

Said the troll
- burn

Always comes here, takes a swipe and cries about a pissin match when we point out how much garbage is eating up Canucks cap

i think it would be wise to give Dermott a little more pay than he might otherwise get to lock him up longer.

26m for 11 players not including Marners next deal. That’s pretty tight still.
- Nighthawk

You've left out some context though. 7 of those players will be 4th liners, bottom pairing d'men and press box hero's. They'll be ELC's and cheap vets like they are for most teams.

Assuming a small cap increase Leafs should have about 23 Milly to spend on Marner, Dermott and a pair of top 4 D'men. So maybe about 11-12 million to spend on a pair of d'men ...that's pretty good.

Thanks.

i think it would be wise to give Dermott a little more pay than he might otherwise get to lock him up longer.
- senstroll

Ya, he's light on leverage at the moment. And he's not going to have a 'big' year given he'll miss a big chunk of the season. If you can get multiple years at 2'ish I think it'd be smart.

i think it would be wise to give Dermott a little more pay than he might otherwise get to lock him up longer.
- senstroll

I don't think there is a rush, managing the cap is complex, timing of when important contracts expire, how much space is anticipated, what may need to be added at the deadline etc. Next year will be another tight year of managing the cap with only a small increase. If a work stoppage is avoided on the new CBA, then the following year will involve a new US TV deal that should allow for a significant increase in the cap.

Can someone help me understand something here.

Last year Nylanders cap hit was something like 10 million because he signed late in the season, even though his salary was much less.

Does this not mean Marner has to sign before the season starts or the Leafs cant afford to inflate his salary for this season and he might have to sit all year?

If Nylanders salary was roughly 7.5 but cap hit roughly 10 million, Marners cap hit maybe in the 11-14 million range if we wait till November or December.

Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.

You've left out some context though. 7 of those players will be 4th liners, bottom pairing d'men and press box hero's. They'll be ELC's and cheap vets like they are for most teams.

Assuming a small cap increase Leafs should have about 23 Milly to spend on Marner, Dermott and a pair of top 4 D'men. So maybe about 11-12 million to spend on a pair of d'men ...that's pretty good.

Thanks.
- The Law

You know he's right, like always, - it just can't be done...

Cap will be About $100 million in 2021-22 and that $40 million will be a bargain. Loui Eriksson will still be a voluntary $6 Million tax, ditto for the $3 million for Luongo recapture. On the other hand, you will be paying Pettersson maybe $12 Million by then, and Boeser maybe $9 or $10 You will have $30 million plus tied up in two players basically. You will still have Miller and Ferland on your books - close to another $10 million. Sven and Beagle another $6 big ones - Leafs don't have these

And trades happen and contracts expire as you correctly point out. Only problem is, Dubas has been working on getting rid of bad contracts while Benning is collecting them. And this might be news to you, but paying top dollar for a really good player is not so bad. What is bad, is paying a really lousy player like Eriksson $6 million or Bobby Ryan $7.25 Million over a long term deal and they sh!t the bed.
- winsix

100million?
In three years?
I wouldnt place any bets on it just yet.

So does it always have to come down to a pissin match here or is it too difficult to talk hockey in these dog days?

Over on my blog we get enough of the spinny fickle fans as it is lol

As you all know i’m no Leafs fan but i am a hockey fan thru & thru & enjoy the banter.
- Nighthawk

Depends who you chat with. Some like to argue and be confrontational.

So

I disagree and fack off.
:p

Kidding, hugs!

Can someone help me understand something here.

Last year Nylanders cap hit was something like 10 million because he signed late in the season, even though his salary was much less.

Does this not mean Marner has to sign before the season starts or the Leafs cant afford to inflate his salary for this season and he might have to sit all year?

If Nylanders salary was roughly 7.5 but cap hit roughly 10 million, Marners cap hit maybe in the 11-14 million range if we wait till November or December.

Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.
- systemtool

If Marner wait as long as Willie to sign, then signs for 10M per - the cap hit the first season will be 14.76M.