Maybe he wanted to be traded because they didn’t agree on his developmental path.
- walleyeb1

If true i guess the NHL is going to become the NBA

If this is true i would of gone baseball's route where they let the kid play to fail and realize he does need to work on aspects of his game. Most times they do

Scott Powers on Nylander after the scrimmage...

“Alex Nylander has skill, looks the part in some ways and may succeed in time with the Blackhawks, but I still have no idea why the Blackhawks traded Henri Jokiharju for him.”


You and me both Scott. Also, Dach is a stud and Boqvist is already a better offensive player than Gustafson. Sell high on Gus and put Boquist in the lineup.

Dach gets the 9 game tryout no doubt. His skill with the puck is impressive.
- EnzoD

Isn't this turbulance about Jokiharju so ridiculous. Maybe he has an issue getting hit. Good bet he is a high end talent and will learn how to deal with physical aspect of the game. He is not probably grown into a man's body and beside that, he is still very young and is going to get stronger from summer training over the years.

I don't know that if the training thing with his dad is true, but if it is this is something you expect a wise GM smoothes out. You shouldn't loose or feel pressured to trade him. I am not going to hang anything on anyone, though, since we may never know the whole story or if both parties want to ever divulge the circumstance.

We came out on the worse end but we can salvage good out of this trade once Nylander accepts that he has to be responsible defensively. Not great defensively, just don't be invisible and one way only. He will learn this through hard knocks - translated to mean not receiving quality nhl linemates until he plays the way Colliton wants him to. We have to take the outlook wiz mentioned. Which is we can hardly wait to see all that Nylander can be. He has ability unlike any skill guys in our pipeline if we can only harness it

Great read:


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Great read:


https://chicago.suntimes....__twitter_impression=true
- walleyeb1

Nice, i didn't see Perlinis name in there unfortunately.

That was Murphy.
- DarthKane

Murphy was my pick for best all round on D last year. He added a bit of everything IMO.

If true i guess the NHL is going to become the NBA

If this is true i would of gone baseball's route where they let the kid play to fail and realize he does need to work on aspects of his game. Most times they do
- BetweenTheDots

I think part of it is just the human factor. Not everyone in the organization will fit and if Joki was going to be a problem or unhappy, moving him might have been the right thing to do. I think we'll never know the whole story.

One thing to keep in mind...Alex Fortin was very impressive at prospect camp a couple years ago too...How has that worked out? We need to wait and see but nice to see some good skill in the system.

If true i guess the NHL is going to become the NBA

If this is true i would of gone baseball's route where they let the kid play to fail and realize he does need to work on aspects of his game. Most times they do
- BetweenTheDots

Updated strategy:

I bet Bowman is going to be extremely detailed and probing when they interview prospects right before the entry draft. To avoid a potential similar Jokiharju situation

Great read:


https://chicago.suntimes....__twitter_impression=true
- walleyeb1

I really like that strome is working hard at improving. I really have high hopes for him and his career in Chicago. I'm surprised more players don't work at improving as much as guys like strome, debrincat, kane, etc. Do.

One thing to keep in mind...Alex Fortin was very impressive at prospect camp a couple years ago too...How has that worked out? We need to wait and see but nice to see some good skill in the system.
- breadbag

Fortin was one of very few we could talk about in a hopeful way back then. At this time we have a lot of players looking good. This quantity should yield some quality in the end.

I think part of it is just the human factor. Not everyone in the organization will fit and if Joki was going to be a problem or unhappy, moving him might have been the right thing to do. I think we'll never know the whole story.
- breadbag

Agreed. Would have tried to fix the problem(s) but maybe that was an obstacle course Bowman felt he didn't want to traverse. Bowman might not want to disgrace himself fighting with a player. Jokiharju became a bad apple and was not worth the bother.

One thing to keep in mind...Alex Fortin was very impressive at prospect camp a couple years ago too...How has that worked out? We need to wait and see but nice to see some good skill in the system.
- breadbag

Your point is valid but Fortin was a one trick pony - elite speed. The hope was/is he could develop a game to go with that speed but so far it hasn't happened. Dach and Boqvist are much more than one trick ponies, as are several of the other prospects. Fortin was an "if?", Dach and Boqvist are "whens?".

Great read:


https://chicago.suntimes....__twitter_impression=true
- walleyeb1

Yep - great read. Thanks.

Summer is time for optimism and reading what Strome is doing really makes me optimistic that he can be a top line center. He has everything needed except the skating/balance so if he improves those the sky is the limit. Looking forward to seeing the results of all the hard work he's put in with Goodman.

I hear ya.

My biggest take away ftom the scrimmage was just confirmation of the praise or laudinqg AEL_FOX has given for Hagel in particular and Re Johnson.

I foresee both would start in Rockford. Hagel as a wing may have a quick trajectory and his continual effort really stands out. I hope that Carlson has this sort of compete level too. I have read it is his never giving up on a play so that is where his effort is traced to?

Eventually it is not merely the superlative skill level from newbies like Dach and Boqvist, but also the third and fourth line newbies who also shine. Rolling four talented skill lines is a key. Our third and fourth line guys being better or outplaying the opponent is so helpful. Kruger. Bolland. The 2010 team in particular. Too often in non playoff years there was an over reliance or hope for Kane and Toews to be a savior.

In short we never have had it so good with yes a plethora of prospects. And yes i could envision Mitchell one day as a top pair. Want to see Kurasev in exhibition games.
- jhawk59

I still like the fun headlines I posted in this blog but I almost included a headline with Brandon Hagel in it.

I loved that signing when it happened after looking into the guy and the. It sounded like in his short time in Rockford, he looked like a real player.

It doesn't sound like he'll be any higher than a bottom 6 guy but has offensive pedigree and a great motor.

Great read:


https://chicago.suntimes....__twitter_impression=true
- walleyeb1

Read read by Ben.

I love stuff like this and love to see Strome putting in the work.

Paul Goodman might be the Hawks best secret weapon going.

Agreed. Would have tried to fix the problem(s) but maybe that was an obstacle course Bowman felt he didn't want to traverse. Bowman might not want to disgrace himself fighting with a player. Jokiharju became a bad apple and was not worth the bother.
- jhawk59

Wow - really going after a kid who is now just 20 - and we don’t really know what was going on.

How about - the deal could have been mostly because they saw a lot of depth in the pipeline on the blue line and not much potential top-6 in the system so they took a chance.

Or - the young Finn was a major bumhole and they got rid of him quickly before he infected the whole franchise.

Or - something in between.

Wow - really going after a kid who is now just 20 - and we don’t really know what was going on.

How about - the deal could have been mostly because they saw a lot of depth in the pipeline on the blue line and not much potential top-6 in the system so they took a chance.

Or - the young Finn was a major bumhole and they got rid of him quickly before he infected the whole franchise.

Or - something in between.
- StLBravesFan

Agree with you this is why it was done. Stan rolling the dice and trying to hit a home run with Nylander knowing he has a lot of Defenseman in the pipeline if it dosn't work out.

One thing to keep in mind...Alex Fortin was very impressive at prospect camp a couple years ago too...How has that worked out? We need to wait and see but nice to see some good skill in the system.
- breadbag

The difference here is that the high performers are the kids that are also the most highly touted prospects, which to me is very exciting.

In a big group of players, there are bound to be a few guys who exceed their actual ability for a week, like the kid who scored a hat trick yesterday, so you have to temper expectations when you see a kid that seems to be a flash in the pan. That’s probably how we should have treated Fortin.

With Boqvist and Dach, they’re thought to be the best prospects in the system, and then they come out and prove it. In this case I think we can be a bit more excited than when it’s a random kid who has a great week.

Wow - really going after a kid who is now just 20 - and we don’t really know what was going on.

How about - the deal could have been mostly because they saw a lot of depth in the pipeline on the blue line and not much potential top-6 in the system so they took a chance.

Or - the young Finn was a major bumhole and they got rid of him quickly before he infected the whole franchise.

Or - something in between.
- StLBravesFan

I think it's strategic misinformation, in case Joki becomes successful. I remember the TT stories and look he became a top 6 forward inspite of the Blackhawks

Colliton made a good point in an interview after the scrimmage when he noted that the players are all at different spots in their summers, meaning some guys have been skating and others were lacing them up after some time off - and it males a difference in how they perform at the moment.

Going into prospect camp, I kind of had expectations for who I considered the top players - Dach and Boqvist at the tops, followed by Beudin, and Mitchell, followed by Kurashev and Entwistle. The only one that underwhelmed was Entwistle. But maybe it was a situation of what Colliton talked about - he hadn't been skating in a while and wasn't at his best. Hopefully so.

I think it's strategic misinformation, in case Joki becomes successful. I remember the TT stories and look he became a top 6 forward inspite of the Blackhawks
- BetweenTheDots

Another Urban legend. Look TT isn't a bad player or anything and I'm not saying that.

But I'd have a problem with him on the Hawks right now and getting 5.5 mil for 5.

He's kind of good (almost a PPG this past season), not great or anything. He's also not turned into some work out warrior, rough, tough guy who throws his body around, works the boards relentlessly, and beating out guys for pucks.

He's OK, he's not great.

Trust me, if TT was still here, making 5.5 for 5, Stan would be getting ripped for it.

Wow - really going after a kid who is now just 20 - and we don’t really know what was going on.

How about - the deal could have been mostly because they saw a lot of depth in the pipeline on the blue line and not much potential top-6 in the system so they took a chance.

Or - the young Finn was a major bumhole and they got rid of him quickly before he infected the whole franchise.

Or - something in between.
- StLBravesFan

You don't trade for a Nylander unless you think he is going to change his act here. No Tiewes or Kane is going to make Nylander a success. Nylander has to give in and play some defense

Alright so you want to trade for a kid like that. I would rather the good dman prospect. Which i believe eventually Jokiharju will become a descent to good nhl dman. You invested time determining Jokiharju would turn out good. Then you let him go for a spoiled kid whi will get his hard knocks kesson here too until he guves in and plays defense. Well maybe you believe Nylandet will turn out ok. But i sure believe something was not right with Jokiharju and Bowman couldn't stomach it. What we may never know is if Bowman played this uo to the point he had to trade him rather than work with the kid.

As i said I cannot say how good Jikiharju could become but probably descent to good .....he was pretty good last season as an underage.

Now if you want to go with your reasons why he was traded, fine. Could be. I happen to think there was disharmony.

Bowman or organization.ssying they never plannrd to retain each of the top four dmen prospects.....ok....so why trade Jokiharju before he matured and was worth more ...for Nylander

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2018/10/29/18463545/blackhawks-rookie-defenseman-henri-jokiharju-shuts-down-star-opens-eyes

Coach Q

“He’s out there against top guys. He’s got a tremendous gap; he’s got quickness; he recovers well. He’s going to get better with his stick. He makes a lot of direct plays. He’ll get better in that area, recognize options offensively. But getting exposed to
- gazza53[those] type of assignments at this stage of his career is pretty flattering, but he’s handled it extremely well.”

Seabs
“He’s been great,” defenseman Brent Seabrook said. “I thought he was exceptional, the way he played. The way he’s able to skate and move, as a young defenseman, he makes a lot of smart plays. He’s good with the puck, confident with the puck, and he can shoot it.”

Keith
“He allows me to play my game, for one thing,” Keith said. “For 19 years old, he’s pretty poised. He’s a great skater, he’s good with the puck, makes smart plays, good defensively. Defense isn’t an easy position to break into, and he’s doing it like a veteran.”

Narratives

Yeah, 4 games into the season... then he received his first real good hit.

Can you provide additional super positive comments from anybody after he started getting hit????

You don't trade for a Nylander unless you think he is going to change his act here. No Tiewes or Kane is going to make Nylander a success. Nylander has to give in and play some defense

Alright so you want to trade for a kid like that. I would rather the good dman prospect. Which i believe eventually Jokiharju will become a descent to good nhl dman. You invested time determining Jokiharju would turn out good. Then you let him go for a spoiled kid whi will get his hard knocks kesson here too until he guves in and plays defense. Well maybe you believe Nylandet will turn out ok. But i sure believe something was not right with Jokiharju and Bowman couldn't stomach it. What we may never know is if Bowman played this uo to the point he had to trade him rather than work with the kid.

As i said I cannot say how good Jikiharju could become but probably descent to good .....he was pretty good last season as an underage.

Now if you want to go with your reasons why he was traded, fine. Could be. I happen to think there was disharmony.

Bowman or organization.ssying they never plannrd to retsin each of the top four dmen prospects.....ok....so why trade Jokiharju before he matured and was wirth more ...for Nylander
- jhawk59

Your saying you “happen to think there was disharmony” (even if you have prof - do you?) is not the same as “Jokiharju became a bad apple and was not worth the bother” (for which I also question whether you have proof or not).

Another Urban legend. Look TT isn't a bad player or anything and I'm not saying that.

But I'd have a problem with him on the Hawks right now and getting 5.5 mil for 5.

He's kind of good (almost a PPG this past season), not great or anything. He's also not turned into some work out warrior, rough, tough guy who throws his body around, works the boards relentlessly, and beating out guys for pucks.

He's OK, he's not great.

Trust me, if TT was still here, making 5.5 for 5, Stan would be getting ripped for it.
- vabeachbear

Why does it matter if Teravainen isn't some rough tough guy? Not every player needs to play in that manner. The compliant some had of him was that he was never going to either get stronger or adapt to the NHL enough to be consistently top 6, but while I can't speak much to the former, he's most definitely done the latter. Though no one has the top 95% puck recovery numbers if they aren't willing to put in the work along the boards. He's more than just "kind of good" - he was top 40 forward for PPG and he's really strong defensively (even Q saw that as an area of potential strength for him as he played TT on the PK that last season).

Idk about anyone else, but I'd love to have a decently two-way player like that on the Hawks for $5.5m. If people were ripping Bowman for giving TT a similar deal and he was still here, those people would be idiots. And they're going to hella salty when Debrincat is either paid more (for similar production, though at a younger age) or he's traded.