List of teams with the ability to OS at 8.5-10.55

Anaheim -
Boston -
Calgary -
Carolina -
Detroit - Detroit won't be giving up 1st rounders.
Edmonton - Won't be giving up picks.
Florida -
L.A. - Won't be giving up picks.
Montreal -
Nashville
NYI -
Ottawa - ya, right.
St L -
TBay
Vancouver
Vegas
Winnepeg

Bolded teams don't have the cap space (or won't once they sign their own RFA's).

Only team that could even get into this game is the Isles, maybe. But even they'd have to free up some cap space by making a trade.

I don't see any match ...
- The Law

Nux won't have a 1st cuz that idiot benning gave it up for JT Miller.

plus, habs are where the leafs were 10 years ago.

nobody good wants to go there.
- Tumbleweed

I don't agree. They have a lot of good young players and are not that far removed from being a good team.

If Marner would do 8 x 10.5 this would likely be done.

Rumour is Leafs had 8 x 10 on the table but MM wants short term.

I don't see any team (that's able to) going 5 x 10.5.
- The Law

If a team that's close to being a top contender could afford it, I think they should do it. Could literally be the missing piece to a cup.

I still can't believe we signed John Tavares.
Also, we have 2 more legitimately elite forwards under 22 years old.
I think you can almost count rielly as an elite player as well.

We are worried about the cap because we have all these great players. Good problem to have IMO. Remember when Pylon and Hotdog were our best players?
- BestRapperAlive

These are good problems to have. Would be better to have balance with another elite d man though

These are good problems to have. Would be better to have balance with another elite d man though
- kaptaan

Every team needs another elite Dman. They are mostly drafted though, hard to find in trade and impossible in FA

. . . to add to that, though - I still think they're at the early stages where they're trying to find common ground based on comparables and schedules (ie, using comparable 'x', we see a 2 year deal at 'x', a 3 year at 'y' . . . a 5 year at 'z'; the Leafs counter with different comparables and different schedules and price ranges).

From the lack of progress, it seems that they can't come to terms on comparables yet.
- Monkeypunk

That's exactly the problem. One side has laid out actual/fair comparables and the other thinks his comparable is Matthews.

We always laugh and say said players career is over when they leave the NHL to play in Europe.

But (frank), going to Switzerland? Finland? Austria? As long as it’s not the KHL it would be awesome.

I have a friend who’s played in Austria. They treat him great and he comes home for the Canadian summers. What could be better?
- Santo_44

Were I a world class hockey player and my time in the NHL came to an end but I still wanted to play, I would 100% choose Switzerland. I think it'd be unbelievable there.

I don’t get players saying they are not involved in negotiating! That’s crap. If an agent is working for me, he’s working for me! He’s doing what I tell him to do, end of story.

I’m sure Marner has been offered a ton of cash by the Leafs, but he wants to hold their feet to the fire for every nickel he can get. So, this will go to September, and the Leafs will have to figure a way to make a quick trade to fit him in.

In my mind all the big name RFA s agents are colluding. The Leafs need to get out front of the pack and be the first to trade their big name RFA for a boat load, and be a better team for it. Between the Leafs paycheque and endorsements Marner could make a killing, but that’s not good enough......”I want every frankin nickel I can get”. I don’t see this kind of greed in the business I work with and the people are certainly not making this kind of cash.

I still can't believe we signed John Tavares.
Also, we have 2 more legitimately elite forwards under 22 years old.
I think you can almost count rielly as an elite player as well.

We are worried about the cap because we have all these great players. Good problem to have IMO. Remember when Pylon and Hotdog were our best players?
- BestRapperAlive

Almost?

That's exactly the problem. One side has laid out actual/fair comparables and the other thinks his comparable is Matthews.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I don't think so ...

The same chimp (Dreger) that was going on about 11+ million dollar demands came out in late June and "clarified" by saying MM wanted short term and demand was never 11+ ....

I think he's probably 5 x 10'ish and the Leafs were 8 x 10'ish or 5 x 9'ish.

Stalemate for now ....

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- Aetherial

Quit baiting me.

Almost?
- GreatGigInTheSky

He's certainly an elite skater and scorer, not sure anyone would put him top 10 as an overall Dman though

Just laughing over Eks recent click bait and shaking my head.

Still early really. They will get it done. Thinking Marner is going to likely have to take a bit more control of things himself over this agent but... not overly worried.

Nux won't have a 1st cuz that idiot benning gave it up for JT Miller.
- kaptaan

As per CBA, you only need four 1sts over the next 5 years

I don't think so ...

The same chimp (Dreger) that was going on about 11+ million dollar demands came out in late June and "clarified" by saying MM wanted short term and demand was never 11+ ....

I think he's probably 5 x 10'ish and the Leafs were 8 x 10'ish or 5 x 9'ish.

Stalemate for now ....
- The Law

And an actual comparable just got $8.4M for 5. Arguably a better player, too.

That, is his comparable. Marner should get between $8.5M-$9.5M. That should be the ceiling. And if Marner wants less years, it's less money.

He's certainly an elite skater and scorer, not sure anyone would put him top 10 as an overall Dman though
- BestRapperAlive

Then people didn't watch him play last season. Arguably the only guy better than him was Giordano.

Rielly is elite.

Then people didn't watch him play last season. Arguably the only guy better than him was Giordano.

Rielly is elite.
- GreatGigInTheSky

if so, we're (frank)ed! elite players cost too much!
-everyone

if so, we're (frank)ed! elite players cost too much!
-everyone
- BestRapperAlive

Yeah, he'll be getting a big raise, that's for sure.

I don't agree. They have a lot of good young players and are not that far removed from being a good team.
- kaptaan

habs best bet is laine. it's plausible he wants out of winnipeg.

bergy should look at working out a trade.

“...It’s a place I grew up and I place I would love to give back to… hopefully, something works out”

- Mitch Marner on how important it is to stay in Toronto.

hopefully it works out for Mitch, sucks he just has to sit there and wait it out...his hands are tied

I don't think so ...

The same chimp (Dreger) that was going on about 11+ million dollar demands came out in late June and "clarified" by saying MM wanted short term and demand was never 11+ ....

I think he's probably 5 x 10'ish and the Leafs were 8 x 10'ish or 5 x 9'ish.

Stalemate for now ....
- The Law

Since we have no idea, I wonder if the principal argument surrounds the value of an RFA year. If you signed Marner to a 3 year deal, what would be a fair AAV for that 3 year deal? What about a 4 year deal that takes him right up to UFA and doesn't buy any UFA years? A 5th year becomes significantly more valuable, because everyone could bid on that year and give up no compensation. That 5th year, given the future time and future value of it, is probably worth $13.5 - $14 million. What is an RFA year worth?

If you look at McDavid's deal, and you assume that years 5-8 of that deal he would make 20% of the cap, and you assume a 4% growth rate (I don't care about escrow withholding for now) - McDavid has an average of $6.5m per RFA year (edited to correct from UFA to RFA).

If you look at Matthews' deal, and you assume that year 5 of that deal, he gets 20% of the cap - his AAV for his UFA years is still excessive at $9.5m.

If Marner splits that difference, and comes in at $8m/RFA year, and presume a $14m cap hit in his 5th year, you'd get a $9.2m AAV, which I think is fair. If that RFA is $8.5m, it would be $9.6m, and it would be 10 if an RFA year were valued at 9m.

It's a very simplistic approach to the problem, because most likely you would go in with year over year projections based on standard progression models and value added to the team, so there would be an increasing number, and so on - but as a basis for discussion the median line has to come down to the AAV for his RFA years.

Quit baiting me.
- Atomic Wedgie

If Marner would do 8 x 10.5 this would likely be done.

Rumour is Leafs had 8 x 10 on the table but MM wants short term.

I don't see any team (that's able to) going 5 x 10.5.
- The Law

Oh I think a couple teams would do that and give up 1,1,2,3

Problem is, Leafs match.

If the Leafs don't believe Marner deserves a Matthews type contract then I say they sit tight all the way through to December. Don't give in, give a final offer and leave it at that. If Marner and agent reject it they lose a season and damage a bright career.
- Mr_Smokey

So you play almost half the season with 2 top line wingers out and a top 4 defensemen? One of which is basically a top ten point getter.

I don't agree. They have a lot of good young players and are not that far removed from being a good team.
- kaptaan

They (frank)ing suck.