While talent is hardest to find, you need more than that to win a cup. Muzzin brings some physicality to an already much too soft team.
- systemtool

Muzzin's next contract will pay him based upon what he has done, instead of what he will do.

We don't have the cap space to compensate him for the money he should have made on his last contract.

I'll pass.

The issue is he won't sign for 2-3 years. He'll want 5-6 years at 6 million per.

Heck, I'll change my thoughts on him for a 2-3 year deal. But no chance that'll happen.
- RogerRoeper

and Barrie will want 8x8. no to that too.

While talent is hardest to find, you need more than that to win a cup. Muzzin brings some physicality to an already much too soft team.
- systemtool

I agree, but I think Muzzin's going to ask (and get) a lot on the FA market and we won't be able to keep him; you could slot Dermott in beside Barrie and get the same kind of style as Muzzin, but younger/cheaper/quicker with slightly less snarl.

Next year, need to know where Ceci stands: can he hang in the top 4 and look decent? Barrie a good fit? Trouba dollars?

Long-term though, Liljegren and Sandin need to play important roles on cheap ELC deals.

and Barrie will want 8x8. no to that too.
- systemtool

Barrie has that talent that is hard to find, is a little younger and will likely age better.

I agree, but I think Muzzin's going to ask (and get) a lot on the FA market and we won't be able to keep him; you could slot Dermott in beside Barrie and get the same kind of style as Muzzin, but younger/cheaper/quicker with slightly less snarl.

Next year, need to know where Ceci stands: can he hang in the top 4 and look decent? Barrie a good fit? Trouba dollars?

Long-term though, Liljegren and Sandin need to play important roles on cheap ELC deals.
- gravyface

my comments were more about the type of player we need, nothing at all about contracts as that's all mere speculation.

Muzzin's next contract will pay him based upon what he has done, instead of what he will do.

We don't have the cap space to compensate him for the money he should have made on his last contract.

I'll pass.
- Atomic Wedgie

This. His next contract will start after his prime has finished. And his skillset says he likely won't age great.

Compare him to everyone Dubas has signed long-term. He's the odd man out by far.

I agree with the notion you can't just have skill, but the guys who bring physicality are not nearly as hard to find and can be had for cheaper.

I agree, but I think Muzzin's going to ask (and get) a lot on the FA market and we won't be able to keep him; you could slot Dermott in beside Barrie and get the same kind of style as Muzzin, but younger/cheaper/quicker with slightly less snarl.

Next year, need to know where Ceci stands: can he hang in the top 4 and look decent? Barrie a good fit? Trouba dollars?

Long-term though, Liljegren and Sandin need to play important roles on cheap ELC deals.
- gravyface

Morgan Rielly is our only current "on the roster" defenceman signed past next year.

That's a little scary.

Barrie has that talent that is hard to find, is a little younger and will likely age better.
- RogerRoeper

Hes also too expansive. Since we're including contracts. we can't afford Rielly if we give Barrie 8. Rielly is better overall and will need a raise in a season or two.

Liljegren can hopefully bring what Barrie offers for cheaper

I still have hope that Rasanen will provide that much needed physicality

Morgan Rielly is our only current "on the roster" defenceman signed past next year.

That's a little scary.
- Atomic Wedgie

We do have cap space though. Just not enough to commit an extra 6 million to Muzzin.

Just imagibe what Nylander can get in a trade a year from now at 6.9 per at age 23 with a career year? There's the answer to your D concerns.

Morgan Rielly is our only current "on the roster" defenceman signed past next year.

That's a little scary.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yup. But at least the forward core is young and set for years to come. All focus should be on D.

Hes also too expansive. Since we're including contracts. we can't afford Rielly if we give Barrie 8. Rielly is better overall and will need a raise in a season or two.
- systemtool

We can absolutely afford Rielly if we keep Barrie. That Seattle expansion will make the cap go up min. 5 million alone.

Morgan Rielly is our only current "on the roster" defenceman signed past next year.

That's a little scary.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think we're so used to having boat anchor contracts hanging around our necks that this newfound freedom is freaking out the squares a bit.

I'm actually happy about this.

The issue is he won't sign for 2-3 years. He'll want 5-6 years at 6 million per.

Heck, I'll change my thoughts on him for a 2-3 year deal. But no chance that'll happen.

Now you're looking at being stuck with Muzzin past his prime. And he lacks foot speed.
- RogerRoeper

You are not paying attention to what players over the age of thirty are receiving for contracts lately. Pavelski - a much more valuable player than Muzzin could not get 3 years from San Jose. Both term and AAV have gone down significantly for over 30 UFA in the past two years. Can he get more from a sh!t team that hopes to scrape into a wildcard - maybe. Will he sign up for that?

We do have cap space though. Just not enough to commit an extra 6 million to Muzzin.

Just imagibe what Nylander can get in a trade a year from now at 6.9 per at age 23 with a career year? There's the answer to your D concerns.
- RogerRoeper

Dumba, Ekblad or Chychrun would be nice

We do have cap space though. Just not enough to commit an extra 6 million to Muzzin.

Just imagibe what Nylander can get in a trade a year from now at 6.9 per at age 23 with a career year? There's the answer to your D concerns.
- RogerRoeper

Hall for Larsson?

You are not paying attention to what players over the age of thirty are receiving for contracts lately. Pavelski - a much more valuable player than Muzzin could not get 3 years from San Jose. Both term and AAV have gone down significantly for over 30 UFA in the past two years. Can he get more from a sh!t team that hopes to scrape into a wildcard - maybe. Will he sign up for that?
- winsix

Pavelski is 5 years older than Muzzin. Look at the contract Myers just got. He got 6 years and his numbers were bad in Winnipeg across the board.

If Muzzin has a good year in Toronto he isn't settling for 2-3 years.

We can absolutely afford Rielly if we keep Barrie. That Seattle expansion will make the cap go up min. 5 million alone.
- RogerRoeper

i dont want barrie at 8x8.

and no it will still be tight. rielly raise. Anderson raise. that money will be gone quick.

Pavelski is 5 years older than Muzzin. Look at the contract Myers just got. He got 6 years and his numbers were bad in Winnipeg across the board.

If Muzzin has a good year in Toronto he isn't settling for 2-3 years.
- RogerRoeper

love the ug approach youre taking. everyone is wrong and your opinions are facts.

Go Leafs (frank)in Go
- Zezel

i dont want barrie at 8x8.

and no it will still be tight. rielly raise. Anderson raise. that money will be gone quick.
- systemtool

We need to keep some D. We are not in a position where we can only afford 1 expensive D in Rielly. We have more cap than that. Dubas now now locked our forwards up brillinatly and Leafs are as good, or better than anyone upfront/

love the ug approach youre taking. everyone is wrong and your opinions are facts.
- systemtool

Well the age thing is fact. And comparing a much older forward to a D isn't good.

Tyler Myers had horrible advanced stats and look what he got.

Even Jake Gardiner, there's obviously concern over his back, but I'm williing to bet he'll get 4-6 years when it's all said and done.

We need to keep some D. We are not in a position where we can only afford 1 expensive D in Rielly. We have more cap than that. Dubas now now locked our forwards up brillinatly and Leafs are as good, or better than anyone upfront/
- RogerRoeper

okay. cause you say so. nevermind the reality of our cap situation.

okay. cause you say so. nevermind the reality of our cap situation.
- systemtool

Our cap looks fine beyond this year.

WE need to stop listening to the fear mongering media and look at all teams. Leafs are not in "Cap Hell" at all. They are in great shape.

Seriously, what "Bad Contract" does the Leafs have at this point? Teams will line-up to get one of their young forwards.

Relax boys

Rielly (Chychrun/Dumba)
Sandin Liljegren
Borgman Rasanen

All is well