i dont want barrie at 8x8.

and no it will still be tight. rielly raise. Anderson raise. that money will be gone quick.
- systemtool

If we don't sign Barrie, that's a terrible move for 3 more years of cheap Kadri. I like Kerfoot from what I've seen, but Kadri holds more value for sure.

Well the age thing is fact. And comparing a much older forward to a D isn't good.

Tyler Myers had horrible advanced stats and look what he got.
- RogerRoeper

Barrie will be 28 when he becomes a free agent. not eager to give a dman who cant play d an 8 year deal into his mid to late 30s

If we don't sign Barrie, that's a terrible move for 3 more years of cheap Kadri. I like Kerfoot from what I've seen, but Kadri holds more value for sure.
- gravyface

if we overpay to keep him that will be worse.

If we don't sign Barrie, that's a terrible move for 3 more years of cheap Kadri. I like Kerfoot from what I've seen, but Kadri holds more value for sure.
- gravyface

Kadri holds more value now, but Kerfoot is much younger, cheaper and had similar stats last year with worse usage.

Within a year or 2 you may think the opposite.

There's no way trading our 3rd line C for a top-pairing elite RH puck-moving D with 50% retained (!!!) and an established young 40 point forward is a bad move.

If you wait another year Kadri is going on 30 and he'd been farther removed from 30 goals which he'd never get close to as a 3rd line C in Toronto. They traded him at the right time.

I thought Muzzin was great for us...
- systemtool

Seemed like he was out there a lot against Boston's top line while not just carrying Z, but making him look good.

I don't recall Boston's top line being the problem 5v5.

if we overpay to keep him that will be worse.
- systemtool

Give me Barrie at 8 over Muzzin at 6 anyday.

Give me Barrie at 8 over Muzzin at 6 anyday.
- RogerRoeper

ill pass on both if they demand too much dollars and term. not gonna pick a bad scenario because another might be seen as worse. those numbers are also pure speculation, or ug facts, however you wanna look at it.

Muzzin's next contract will pay him based upon what he has done, instead of what he will do.

We don't have the cap space to compensate him for the money he should have made on his last contract.

I'll pass.
- Atomic Wedgie

Should have traded for kneel.

Stoopid dubas.

https://www.nhl.com/news/...s-after-trade/c-308308898




"Neal said he has had a solid offseason under the guidance of longtime friend Gary Roberts,"

Leafs have a fantastic cap situation and people are brainwashed.

Barrie will be 28 when he becomes a free agent. not eager to give a dman who cant play d an 8 year deal into his mid to late 30s
- systemtool

I love how "D-man puts up points" always has to end with "can't play D". Like the concepts are mutually exclusive.

He has the puck... alot. Can Rielly play D? Both are strong down low, explosive, and can get the puck out.

Kadri holds more value now, but Kerfoot is much younger, cheaper and had similar stats last year with worse usage.

Within a year or 2 you may think the opposite.

There's no way trading our 3rd line C for a top-pairing elite RH puck-moving D with 50% retained (!!!) and an established young 40 point forward is a bad move.

If you wait another year Kadri is going on 30 and he'd been farther removed from 30 goals which he'd never get close to as a 3rd line C in Toronto. They traded him at the right time.
- RogerRoeper

Time will tell, but again, going by actual valuations around the league -- Kadri was highly sought after -- Kerfoot + 1-year top-4 RHD rental is not great value for 2x30 goal scoring 2C in his prime on a cheap contract with term.

We got 2 years of Muzzin for significantly less, who was a legit top-4 LHD in his prime.

Again, not saying I don't like this deal -- I do -- but signing Barrie is key to that and hopefully for something reasonable.

You are not paying attention to what players over the age of thirty are receiving for contracts lately. Pavelski - a much more valuable player than Muzzin could not get 3 years from San Jose. Both term and AAV have gone down significantly for over 30 UFA in the past two years. Can he get more from a sh!t team that hopes to scrape into a wildcard - maybe. Will he sign up for that?
- winsix

Call me a Debbie Downer, but next year I think the Leafs hope to scrape into a wild card spot.

To be perfectly honest, I know absolutely nothing about Barrie (or Kerfoot).

I reserve my right to wait until the end of November to even start talking about whether or not we want to re-sign him.

For now, I'll just enjoy the fact we have him for a year, while Colorado pays half his cap hit.

Just wondering...serious question. If the Leafs have been golfing since 1967, how long have the Canucks been golfing? They've never won a cup so is it since the Big Bang? Infinity? Undefined?
- winsix

Golfing since infinity! Also still below 500 all-time.

I love how "D-man puts up points" always has to end with "can't play D". Like the concepts are mutually exclusive.

He has the puck... alot. Can Rielly play D? Both are strong down low, explosive, and can get the puck out.
- gravyface

Rielly looks really strong defensively on most nights.

Muzzin's next contract will pay him based upon what he has done, instead of what he will do.

We don't have the cap space to compensate him for the money he should have made on his last contract.

I'll pass.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'll be even more pissed if we traded Grundstrom, Durzi and a 1st for what's possibly 14 playoff games of Muzzin.

(frank) that noise. That's a helluva price to pay

To be perfectly honest, I know absolutely nothing about Barrie (or Kerfoot).

I reserve my right to wait until the end of November to even start talking about whether or not we want to re-sign him.

For now, I'll just enjoy the fact we have him for a year, while Colorado pays half his cap hit.
- Atomic Wedgie

This. I know (frank) all about both of them.

To be perfectly honest, I know absolutely nothing about Barrie (or Kerfoot).

I reserve my right to wait until the end of November to even start talking about whether or not we want to re-sign him.

For now, I'll just enjoy the fact we have him for a year, while Colorado pays half his cap hit.
- Atomic Wedgie

Barrie is awesome offensively. A better version of Jake Gardiner. Not great in his own zone, but how many defensemen are these days? His errors won't be a glaring as Gardiner's, but he'll make them.

An absolute must to have in fantasy hockey.

This year, assuming he's on PP2, his value in fantasy went down a fair bit.

Kerfoot, I honestly don't see him as a centre. But looks like he'll have to be. I think in a perfect world (assuming we still had Kadri) he'd play alongside Matthews and Nylander.

I love how "D-man puts up points" always has to end with "can't play D". Like the concepts are mutually exclusive.

He has the puck... alot. Can Rielly play D? Both are strong down low, explosive, and can get the puck out.
- gravyface

going off reports from tne media when the trade went down. that barrie isnt strong in his own end. it isnt said of every dman lol.

Barrie is awesome offensively. A better version of Jake Gardiner. Not great in his own zone, but how many defensemen are these days? His errors won't be a glaring as Gardiner's, but he'll make them.

An absolute must to have in fantasy hockey.

This year, assuming he's on PP2, his value in fantasy went down a fair bit.

Kerfoot, I honestly don't see him as a centre. But looks like he'll have to be. I think in a perfect world (assuming we still had Kadri) he'd play alongside Matthews and Nylander.
- walshyleafsfan

Probably smart to grab both Barrie and Rielly early in the draft this year. One of them is bound to have an exceptional season.

Probably smart to grab both Barrie and Rielly early in the draft this year. One of them is bound to have an exceptional season.
- BetterCallSaul

Yeah m. I have my go to's that always seem to drop a bit. Added Rielly to the list last year as we knew he'd get the PP time.

Barkov
Monahan
Backstrom
Stone
Hoffman
Barrie
And now Rielly


Every year

going off reports from tne media when the trade went down. that barrie isnt strong in his own end. it isnt said of every dman lol.
- systemtool

Based on what I read here on HB, the only dman who's great in the entire world is Seth Jones.

Based on what I read here on HB, the only dman who's great in the entire world is Seth Jones.
- Zezel

Holy (frank) he's good though. Everything you want in a number 1 dman

Probably smart to grab both Barrie and Rielly early in the draft this year. One of them is bound to have an exceptional season.
- BetterCallSaul

Rielly is coming off of one. He should be a beast again.

Holy (frank) he's good though. Everything you want in a number 1 dman
- walshyleafsfan

Lol yeah he is, I'm just being contrarian.