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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: The numbers are out for the Evan Rodrigues arbitration case set for Tues
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gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jul 24 @ 1:01 PM ET
So they can walk away

What is going on here Lol
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 24 @ 1:04 PM ET
Lol I guarantee you would lose your mind if that happens
- gerbe75pts


If they bought him out? Yeah, it would be totally nonsensical, if it were possible.

If they trade him and risto for RNH? I'll be just fine
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 24 @ 1:07 PM ET
So they can walk away

What is going on here Lol

- gerbe75pts



It appears to be a matter of a 2-year deal vs. a 1 year deal. This article was written in 2016, so it is using a $3.5 million figure (it obviously went up with inflation):

https://www.lawinsport.co...ational-hockey-league-nhl

If the arbitration was initiated by the player, the club may be able to walk away from the award issued by the arbitrator, subject to certain restrictions. A club has the right to walk away from an award if the award is for $3,500,000 or more. If the club elects to walk away from the arbitration decision, for a one-year contract, the player will immediately become a free agent and be free to negotiate with any other team in the league. However, if the club elects to walk away from the arbitration award, for a two-year contract, the player and club will enter into a one-year contract equal to the compensation awarded for the first year as outlined in the arbitration decision. In this situation, the player will become an unrestricted free agent the next league year. Moreover, if the club initiated the arbitration, the club relinquishes their ability to walk away from the award.

If Rodrigues' deal is a 1-year deal, they cannot walk away. In Copp's situation, if they walk away, he gets a 1-year deal and becomes a UFA next year.
Khmylev
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'll take some olives on my pizza!, NY
Joined: 03.13.2015

Jul 24 @ 1:12 PM ET
BigMouthBillyBassBuzz
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 24 @ 1:12 PM ET
As per TSN.

Copp and the Jets had their arbitration hearing Sunday and had until the decision was announced to reach a deal on their own, which they could not. The Jets now have the option to accept the contract or allow Copp to become a UFA.

TRANSACTION: F - Andrew Copp has been awarded a two-year contract with an AAV of $2.28 million by an independent arbitrator.

There doesn't seem to be any minimum to walk away.

- Sabres1523


Here's the quirk in the arb process rules:

If team offers 1 year, they can't walk away under a certain salary threshhold (4ishM)

If the team offers 2 years, they CAN "walk away", but not entirely. The player must play for the arb award for one year, then the player can declare himself a UFA.
CaptainRivet
Buffalo Sabres
Location: on Bored, NY
Joined: 12.26.2008

Jul 24 @ 1:13 PM ET
Anyone know if the Sabres can walk away?
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 24 @ 1:13 PM ET
Appears I was 5 min late with my response. So, take 19's full post, mine for TL;DR
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 24 @ 1:14 PM ET
Anyone know if the Sabres can walk away?
- CaptainRivet


Nelson is a UFA, (frank)face.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jul 24 @ 1:15 PM ET
Anyone know if the Sabres can walk away?
- CaptainRivet

lieutenant dan can't
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 24 @ 1:16 PM ET
Anyone know if the Sabres can walk away?
- CaptainRivet


Ok, I reviewed the CBA:

The Sabres can walk away if Botterill, Pegula and Krueger can catch him during a 5 minute game of "not it" on skates at the harbor center.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 24 @ 1:18 PM ET
Ok, I reviewed the CBA:

The Sabres can walk away if Botterill, Pegula and Krueger can catch him during a 5 minute game of "not it" on skates at the harbor center.

- jcragcrumple


That's not necessarily true.

Botterill technically has an extra 90 seconds because he only offered 1 year.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jul 24 @ 1:18 PM ET
Here's the quirk in the arb process rules:

If team offers 1 year, they can't walk away under a certain salary threshhold (4ishM)

If the team offers 2 years, they CAN "walk away", but not entirely. The player must play for the arb award for one year, then the player can declare himself a UFA.

- TheSabresTaco



That’s a new one
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 24 @ 1:19 PM ET
Ok, I reviewed the CBA:

The Sabres can walk away if Botterill, Pegula and Krueger can catch him during a 5 minute game of "not it" on skates at the harbor center.

- jcragcrumple



You forgot that the three of them are allowed to wield beebee guns during this game.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 24 @ 1:19 PM ET
No, but it's a moot point anyway imo. He has value around the league by any team that tracks advanced stats.

If they want him gone, he'll be part of a trade package, if that's possible, which, you'll have to ask Lunaion

- jcragcrumple


Don't know of any reason they couldn't.
Angler
Buffalo Sabres
Location: City of No Illusions, NY
Joined: 01.10.2017

Jul 24 @ 1:20 PM ET
Kinda quiet,
so his personality doesn’t really match his style of play... yet

But yeah...
i think we could use a guy like him in our lineup when he’s ready

Cozens takes much more
Kinda funny actually
We joked about his thumb injury
Which he said is coming along nicely

- jdfitz77



Trying to imagine how this joke would go.... Something like, dude, my girl would be so upset if my thumb was out of commission, my thumb is magic.

jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 24 @ 1:22 PM ET
Don't know of any reason they couldn't.
- Lunaion


So there ya go. They accept the award and then trade him. That's what people who don't want him should be hoping for
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 24 @ 1:30 PM ET
It appears to be a matter of a 2-year deal vs. a 1 year deal. This article was written in 2016, so it is using a $3.5 million figure (it obviously went up with inflation):

https://www.lawinsport.co...ational-hockey-league-nhl

If the arbitration was initiated by the player, the club may be able to walk away from the award issued by the arbitrator, subject to certain restrictions. A club has the right to walk away from an award if the award is for $3,500,000 or more. If the club elects to walk away from the arbitration decision, for a one-year contract, the player will immediately become a free agent and be free to negotiate with any other team in the league. However, if the club elects to walk away from the arbitration award, for a two-year contract, the player and club will enter into a one-year contract equal to the compensation awarded for the first year as outlined in the arbitration decision. In this situation, the player will become an unrestricted free agent the next league year. Moreover, if the club initiated the arbitration, the club relinquishes their ability to walk away from the award.

If Rodrigues' deal is a 1-year deal, they cannot walk away. In Copp's situation, if they walk away, he gets a 1-year deal and becomes a UFA next year.

- buffalofan19


That's an interesting reading of the rule (and a source I've used before), enough that I checked the actual CBA. In the case of a 2 year award, the figure is $4,397,832 per year (not total). They have no walk away rights here.

Cap friendly now shows details on arb, which makes life a lot easier.

https://www.capfriendly.com/arbitration
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 24 @ 1:41 PM ET
btw team honored Copp's award, which means he will remain a Jet for at least one year. He can get traded after 1 year but he will have his current contract for year 2 pending BO.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 24 @ 1:46 PM ET
btw team honored Copp's award, which means he will remain a Jet for at least one year. He can get traded after 1 year but he will have his current contract for year 2 pending BO.
- TheSabresTaco



"So no Copp?"

- Jessie Pegula
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 24 @ 1:51 PM ET
"So no Copp?"

- Jessie Pegula

- buffalofan19


We should walk away from Erod and sign Copp
ajb2493
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Stamford, CT
Joined: 07.02.2015

Jul 24 @ 1:58 PM ET
We should walk away from Erod and sign Copp
- TheSabresTaco


Nope, We should walk away from Copp and sign Ellie.
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jul 24 @ 1:59 PM ET
Nope, We should walk away from Copp and sign Ellie.
- ajb2493



We should find a girl named Elie, Copp a feel and then maybe we'll get an Erod.
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Jul 24 @ 2:02 PM ET
2 mins ago
BUFFALO, N.Y. (July 24, 2019) — The Buffalo Sabres today announced the team will again host the Prospects Challenge from Sept. 6 to 9 at Harborcenter.

The Sabres will be joined by the Boston Bruins, New Jersey Devils and Pittsburgh Penguins to compete in a round-robin challenge featuring prospects from each team. The participating teams will each play three games during the course of the event, which will be held entirely at Harborcenter.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jul 24 @ 2:03 PM ET
No, but it's a moot point anyway imo. He has value around the league by any team that tracks advanced stats.

If they want him gone, he'll be part of a trade package, if that's possible, which, you'll have to ask Lunaion

- jcragcrumple



What if a team tracks basic stats?

Like 9 goals?

No snarl, grit or physical play.

jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 24 @ 2:06 PM ET
What if a team tracks basic stats?

Like 9 goals?

No snarl, grit or physical play.

- Boss34


True or false:

Larry, girgs and erod had the same amount of fights this year
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