Not in the slightest. He was used as a shutdown guy because he can break the cycle...It is the one single thing he can do decently well. He can't pass the puck, he can't shoot, he can't skate well.

Just like Ray Farraro said about him...He doesn't do anything particularly well, he is just kind of there.
- Santo_44

haha, i'll take that over Ceci....he does everything poorly, and is ALWAYS there.

be happy you guys only have to deal with him for 1 year. hopefully Z plays a bit better, or it's going to be a long road for us........at least his deal isn't like bobby ryan or Lucic bad

I would like to announce I dislike the Leafs more than any other team in pro sports except the Rangers and Red Sox. This is not a JT thing, I just genuinely hate the Leafs!

Good Day

Guno89
Member of USA, below avg beer league player, Labbat blue fan and hater of bad pizza.
- guno89

Welcome.

fair enough

can't say I watched a lot of him in Toronto
- sensarmy_11

Just don't think he will ever be a puck mover because that is his worst quality He has zero vision and hockey sense.

Babcock used him in the only role he had a chance at succeeding in. Playing with Muzzin helped him a lot though.

I would like to announce I dislike the Leafs more than any other team in pro sports except the Rangers and Red Sox. This is not a JT thing, I just genuinely hate the Leafs!

Good Day

Guno89
Member of USA, below avg beer league player, Labbat blue fan and hater of bad pizza.
- guno89

Okay, bu-bye now.

Welcome.
- AdamFrench

Shut it...

Shut it...
- bobbyisno1

I want 5 pages of Snakevares. Don't take this away from me.

haha, i'll take that over Ceci....he does everything poorly, and is ALWAYS there.

be happy you guys only have to deal with him for 1 year. hopefully Z plays a bit better, or it's going to be a long road for us........at least his deal isn't like bobby ryan or Lucic bad
- sensarmy_11

Oh his deal is 5 years bad, you're gonna be sorry.

Yeah but 2-3 of those will be very cheap. they aren't going to go out and sign 5 UFAs.

Barrie can be signed no issue.
- RogerRoeper

Barrie will be AT LEAST 8 mil, if not more
Muzzin probably gets 6-7
Gauthier will probably get around 3
Dermott probably gets the same, around 3

you can let the UFAs walk, but you still need to replace them with something

your "cap issues" won't be as bad next year as they are this year.....but you're being a little naïve if you think you're going to get everyone easily in under the cap.

and next year you don't have an easy fix like you did this year with Marleau and Zaitsev. if you want to move salary next year, it's guys like Kapanen, Nylander, etc......you'll lose guys that will negatively impact your roster.

and all this is assuming you get Marner for a reasonable number

and almost immediately following that, Andersen and Rielley will be due for massive raises.

it's a good problem to have....that many good players who need new contracts.....but it's dumb and naïve to act like it isn't an actual problem.

I would like to announce I dislike the Leafs more than any other team in pro sports except the Rangers and Red Sox. This is not a JT thing, I just genuinely hate the Leafs!

Good Day

Guno89
Member of USA, below avg beer league player, Labbat blue fan and hater of bad pizza.
- guno89

You (frank)ing monster!

Just don't think he will ever be a puck mover because that is his worst quality He has zero vision and hockey sense.

Babcock used him in the only role he had a chance at succeeding in. Playing with Muzzin helped him a lot though.
- Santo_44

I can't even fathom a guess as to who he will play with in Ottawa.....assuming that Chabot and DeMelo are a locked in pairing.

ugh....it's going to be a long year in Ottawa.

Barrie will be AT LEAST 8 mil, if not more
Muzzin probably gets 6-7
Gauthier will probably get around 3
Dermott probably gets the same, around 3

you can let the UFAs walk, but you still need to replace them with something

your "cap issues" won't be as bad next year as they are this year.....but you're being a little naïve if you think you're going to get everyone easily in under the cap.

and next year you don't have an easy fix like you did this year with Marleau and Zaitsev. if you want to move salary next year, it's guys like Kapanen, Nylander, etc......you'll lose guys that will negatively impact your roster.

and all this is assuming you get Marner for a reasonable number

and almost immediately following that, Andersen and Rielley will be due for massive raises.

it's a good problem to have....that many good players who need new contracts.....but it's dumb and naïve to act like it isn't an actual problem.
- sensarmy_11

Are you on drugs?

Barrie will be AT LEAST 8 mil, if not more
Muzzin probably gets 6-7
Gauthier will probably get around 3
Dermott probably gets the same, around 3

you can let the UFAs walk, but you still need to replace them with something

your "cap issues" won't be as bad next year as they are this year.....but you're being a little naïve if you think you're going to get everyone easily in under the cap.

and next year you don't have an easy fix like you did this year with Marleau and Zaitsev. if you want to move salary next year, it's guys like Kapanen, Nylander, etc......you'll lose guys that will negatively impact your roster.

and all this is assuming you get Marner for a reasonable number

and almost immediately following that, Andersen and Rielley will be due for massive raises.

it's a good problem to have....that many good players who need new contracts.....but it's dumb and naïve to act like it isn't an actual problem.
- sensarmy_11

Notice I did not mention Muzzin? I don't want him back and feel Dubas won't even try. Give Barrie his 8 million. Lilljegren and Sandin can play on entry levels. Dermott will get more, but will still be relatively cheap.

And BTW, Gauthier won't even be on the team. LOL. dubas is not giving a fringe 4th liner 3 million and he has no chanceto even ask that with his crappy play.

Barrie will be AT LEAST 8 mil, if not more
Muzzin probably gets 6-7
Gauthier will probably get around 3
Dermott probably gets the same, around 3

you can let the UFAs walk, but you still need to replace them with something

your "cap issues" won't be as bad next year as they are this year.....but you're being a little naïve if you think you're going to get everyone easily in under the cap.

and next year you don't have an easy fix like you did this year with Marleau and Zaitsev. if you want to move salary next year, it's guys like Kapanen, Nylander, etc......you'll lose guys that will negatively impact your roster.

and all this is assuming you get Marner for a reasonable number

and almost immediately following that, Andersen and Rielley will be due for massive raises.

it's a good problem to have....that many good players who need new contracts.....but it's dumb and naïve to act like it isn't an actual problem.
- sensarmy_11

Fake Mews.
- AdamFrench

Mewtwo?

Which raises the interesting (oh my God, it's summer and we have nothing to talk about) question:

What 8 teams do you eliminate?

Yes, I'm already considering Seattle to be a team.

There's really only about 4 teams that need to be cut.

The Panthers just need to move back to Miami.
- Atomic Wedgie

Carolina
Florida
Ottawa
Arizona

And I guess Seattle if you want to include them.

So basically only 5 teams that I can think of.

I want 5 pages of Snakevares. Don't take this away from me.
- AdamFrench

You're welcome.

Barrie will be AT LEAST 8 mil, if not more
Muzzin probably gets 6-7
Gauthier will probably get around 3
Dermott probably gets the same, around 35

you can let the UFAs walk, but you still need to replace them with something

your "cap issues" won't be as bad next year as they are this year.....but you're being a little naïve if you think you're going to get everyone easily in under the cap.

and next year you don't have an easy fix like you did this year with Marleau and Zaitsev. if you want to move salary next year, it's guys like Kapanen, Nylander, etc......you'll lose guys that will negatively impact your roster.

and all this is assuming you get Marner for a reasonable number

and almost immediately following that, Andersen and Rielley will be due for massive raises.

it's a good problem to have....that many good players who need new contracts.....but it's dumb and naïve to act like it isn't an actual problem.
- sensarmy_11

Or they don't sign Barrie and voila no cap problems.

Are you on drugs?
- AdamFrench

you don't think Dermott will get 3? based on how you guys all talk about him, he seems to be a legit top 4 already.

as for Gauthier, maybe 3 is a bit high, but I can't imagine he gets less than 2

Barrie will be AT LEAST 8 mil, if not more
Muzzin probably gets 6-7
Gauthier will probably get around 3
Dermott probably gets the same, around 3

you can let the UFAs walk, but you still need to replace them with something

your "cap issues" won't be as bad next year as they are this year.....but you're being a little naïve if you think you're going to get everyone easily in under the cap.

and next year you don't have an easy fix like you did this year with Marleau and Zaitsev. if you want to move salary next year, it's guys like Kapanen, Nylander, etc......you'll lose guys that will negatively impact your roster.

and all this is assuming you get Marner for a reasonable number

and almost immediately following that, Andersen and Rielley will be due for massive raises.

it's a good problem to have....that many good players who need new contracts.....but it's dumb and naïve to act like it isn't an actual problem.
- sensarmy_11

Why though?

Or they don't sign Barrie and voila no cap problems.
- bobbyisno1

Don't sign Muzzin but keep Barrie.

- poopstash

I'm worried that 9 minute walking glacier who can't score 10 points over a season will demand 3mil a year.

3 million for a 4th line crappy centre? Has Dubas been replaced by Benning?

you don't think Dermott will get 3? based on how you guys all talk about him, he seems to be a legit top 4 already.

as for Gauthier, maybe 3 is a bit high, but I can't imagine he gets less than 2
- sensarmy_11

Gauthier is a league min player. Dermott has done jack poop to get more than 3mil. This is his year to prove he's worth the investment.

Carolina
Florida
Ottawa
Arizona

And I guess Seattle if you want to include them.

So basically only 5 teams that I can think of.
- LeafGuy89

Gotta keep Ottawa, ther is no better place to watch a Leaf game.

you don't think Dermott will get 3? based on how you guys all talk about him, he seems to be a legit top 4 already.

as for Gauthier, maybe 3 is a bit high, but I can't imagine he gets less than 2
- sensarmy_11

Gauthier won't be on the Leafs even for 2 million. Dubas isn't building his team like those idiot GMs who overpay for 4th liners.