The would consider themselves to fall off a cliff like pitts, la, and Chicago.
Lucky!
It would mean theyve won multiple cups.
Right now the leafs are trying to figure out how to climb the mountain
- Fakepartofme

One step at a time, I agree. I'm too greedy to stop at the 1 cup that's in our near future, though. I WANT MOAAAR.

I'm not sure where acquiring Clarkson fits with the cap space needed to sign Marner and not busting over 10% in the offseason and all that.

But overall, I think Dubas has done a tremendous job this summer. Did way better than most thought he would.

If he can somehow sign Marner to an acceptable amount, give this guy a raise.
- Scabeh

Dubas is sly dog.
I like it.
Reminds me of AA and a little of master himself.....Masai

I don't care about the actual numbers or the impact of bringing back Clarkson's contract.

This is (frank)ing funny.
- Scabeh

just to be a debbie downer, it's probably as simple as this:

Earl Schwartz@EarlSchwartz27
The Clarkson deal is not about acquiring an asset for Sparks, this is a cap move. May seem odd to acquire a $5.25m contract when your team is tight to the cap, but this is purely a LTIR move for the #Leafs to enter the season with Marner unsigned.

Good thread.
Thanks for posting it
- Fakepartofme

It's pretty interesting.

If only we had the possibility of someone posting that kind of useful information on a blog right here on this site.

Such a shame we can't do that.

Don't you agree Mike?

But #94 for Barrie.... Woo!

just to be a debbie downer, it's probably as simple as this:

Earl Schwartz@EarlSchwartz27
The Clarkson deal is not about acquiring an asset for Sparks, this is a cap move. May seem odd to acquire a $5.25m contract when your team is tight to the cap, but this is purely a LTIR move for the #Leafs to enter the season with Marner unsigned.
- 21peter

The part about the Leafs needing to be at a certain amount to receive cap relief in the event of a Marner holdout is the key element to me.

One step at a time, I agree. I'm too greedy to stop at the 1 cup that's in our near future, though. I WANT MOAAAR.
- UsernameUnknown

Oh i hear ya. Goddammit we deserve more.
50 plus facking years.


But honestly, i just take one for now.
The raps winning has increased that need to win

Its gonna be interesting to see if Clarkson is the final piece to getting this team out of the first round. If he isn't the answer, I really don't know what their next move is.

Between Kerfoot, Spezza and now Clarkson, anything less than ECF MINIMUM is a failure.

Its also going to be interesting how Andersson handles going from the majority of starts to the bench for the playoffs, as Neuvirth takes over for the post season.

Babcocks player management expertise really has to shine come April.

Its gonna be interesting to see if Clarkson is the final piece to getting this team out of the first round. If he isn't the answer, I really don't know what their next move is.

Between Kerfoot, Spezza and now Clarkson, anything less than ECF MINIMUM is a failure.

Its also going to be interesting how Andersson handles going from the majority of starts to the bench for the playoffs, as Neuvirth takes over for the post season.

Babcocks player management expertise really has to shine come April.
- RippedFuel

7

Its gonna be interesting to see if Clarkson is the final piece to getting this team out of the first round. If he isn't the answer, I really don't know what their next move is.

Between Kerfoot, Spezza and now Clarkson, anything less than ECF MINIMUM is a failure.

Its also going to be interesting how Andersson handles going from the majority of starts to the bench for the playoffs, as Neuvirth takes over for the post season.

Babcocks player management expertise really has to shine come April.
- RippedFuel

My check your math I think your 127 number is wrong.

How is it not correct? They didn’t appreciably decrease their pts production if any from what went in and out. What isn’t correct? They didn’t lose a stud defense first guy and bring in inept d guys.

You can’t sit there and tell people theyre wrong without proof, especially when proof and been provided as to why YOU are wrong.
- burn

Maybe it is. I had 26, 27, 36 and 38 as the points for the 4 I listed leaving. Maybe one or more of them are not correwct. Possible. But that adds to 127.

And, as I said...points are not the be-all, end-all. It is just you stated more points came in than went out of the players I mentioned, when that wasn't even close to true. So just showed it was an incorrect statement. Carry on. I can see I have gotten some of you on the wrong track.

Its gonna be interesting to see if Clarkson is the final piece to getting this team out of the first round. If he isn't the answer, I really don't know what their next move is.

Between Kerfoot, Spezza and now Clarkson, anything less than ECF MINIMUM is a failure.

Its also going to be interesting how Andersson handles going from the majority of starts to the bench for the playoffs, as Neuvirth takes over for the post season.

Babcocks player management expertise really has to shine come April.
- RippedFuel

Interesting it is.

Its gonna be interesting to see if Clarkson is the final piece to getting this team out of the first round. If he isn't the answer, I really don't know what their next move is.

Between Kerfoot, Spezza and now Clarkson, anything less than ECF MINIMUM is a failure.

Its also going to be interesting how Andersson handles going from the majority of starts to the bench for the playoffs, as Neuvirth takes over for the post season.

Babcocks player management expertise really has to shine come April.
- RippedFuel

So jealous.

154 over 5 guys

127 (your math is wrong) over 4 guys.

Do you think that there is a problem there?
- burn

Sigh. You guys.

First, I stated it was 5 guys.
second, I also stated that without Zaitsev, 4 vs 4.... slightly more went out than came in (point-wise)
third, I also stated Point are NOT everything.

I simply replied to a guiy who stated "MORE POINT CAME IN THAN WENT OUT. It wasn't close to true, so just pointed it out.

No malice intended. Just correcting a mis-statement.

It’s been widely reported as fact by capfreindly and Elliot freidman that summer ltir is a thing and has in fact been used by multiple teams before. This is now common knowledge.

It’s a pretty easy thing to find on the web if you look
- burn

Okay. So it's a little different that regular LTIR, you basically use it and it's gone (i.e. you cannot tap into more LTIR during the season, because you've already used your LTIR allowance). So they can strike $10.55M off the books right now, but they won't be able to use LTIR for any in-season allowances.

If that's the case, to be compliant on opening day, the can add $9.81M to their current roster. They could use the summer overage and add an extra $8.15M, but they'd have to make some trades and/or waive players if they exceed that $9.81M.

Not sure if the window is still open, but they could buy out Cody Ceci and save $3.75M with a penalty of only $750K next season. That would (should) be more than enough.

Its gonna be interesting to see if Clarkson is the final piece to getting this team out of the first round. If he isn't the answer, I really don't know what their next move is.

Between Kerfoot, Spezza and now Clarkson, anything less than ECF MINIMUM is a failure.

Its also going to be interesting how Andersson handles going from the majority of starts to the bench for the playoffs, as Neuvirth takes over for the post season.

Babcocks player management expertise really has to shine come April.
- RippedFuel

I read an interesting (hypothetical) case study the other day. The long and short of it was, if you took the best players on the Sabres, and the best players on the Bills, you'd have half a poopty NHL team and half a poopty NFL team.

I'm confused, who went out the door and who came in?

Out:
Zaitsev 14
Kadri 44
Brown 29
Hainsey 23
Gardiner 30
Equals 140 points

In:
Barrie 59
Ceci 26
Kerfoot 42
Spezza 27
Equals 154 points

just to be a debbie downer, it's probably as simple as this:

Earl Schwartz@EarlSchwartz27
The Clarkson deal is not about acquiring an asset for Sparks, this is a cap move. May seem odd to acquire a $5.25m contract when your team is tight to the cap, but this is purely a LTIR move for the #Leafs to enter the season with Marner unsigned.
- 21peter

so this is the perfect time to send an offer sheet to Marner

Sigh. You guys.

First, I stated it was 5 guys.
second, I also stated that without Zaitsev, 4 vs 4.... slightly more went out than came in (point-wise)
third, I also stated Point are NOT everything.

I simply replied to a guiy who stated "MORE POINT CAME IN THAN WENT OUT. It wasn't close to true, so just pointed it out.

No malice intended. Just correcting a mis-statement.
- hawk35

Out:
Zaitsev 14
Kadri 44
Brown 29
Hainsey 23
Gardiner 30
Equals 140 points

In:
Barrie 59
Ceci 26
Kerfoot 42
Spezza 27
Equals 154 points

Please explain to me how you can use LTIR (a cap overage allowance) before your roster is set.

I really mean that, in a non-antagonistic way. I really want to understand. When the Flyers had Chris Pronger in semi-retirement, they couldn't tap into his LTIR until the season started.
- jmatchett383

That was changed. They can use it now.

Okay. So it's a little different that regular LTIR, you basically use it and it's gone (i.e. you cannot tap into more LTIR during the season, because you've already used your LTIR allowance). So they can strike $10.55M off the books right now, but they won't be able to use LTIR for any in-season allowances.

If that's the case, to be compliant on opening day, the can add $9.81M to their current roster. They could use the summer overage and add an extra $8.15M, but they'd have to make some trades and/or waive players if they exceed that $9.81M.

Not sure if the window is still open, but they could buy out Cody Ceci and save $3.75M with a penalty of only $750K next season. That would (should) be more than enough.
- jmatchett383

You are forgetting the one guys salary who would come off the 23 man roster to make room for marner. Which pushes that number back into the 10.55 range.

That was changed. They can use it now.
- Aetherial

if someone was to sign Mariner to an OS, that would screw the Leafs plan to sign him after the season has started.

Out:
Zaitsev 14
Kadri 44
Brown 29
Hainsey 23
Gardiner 30
Equals 140 points

In:
Barrie 59
Ceci 26
Kerfoot 42
Spezza 27
Equals 154 points
- mykokes

Exactly what I was saying....but will it be enough to avoid yet ANOTHER first round defeat. Personally I think the refs have it out for Toronto.

You didn't even add Clarksons totals. Will he be getting first PP unit time?

Kapanen - Matthews - Clarkson ??? man, what a first line.

Am I the only one that thinks they got Clarkson in order to replace / move Mariner for a couple of top pairing d men??

Yeah they won two cups, and you definitely can't taking anything away from that, but look at them now.
I think that's the downfall the Leafs will be trying to avoid once their window starts to close in 5/6 years. Winning the cup is the ultimate goal, but winning it lots would be better. They won't want to fall off the cliff like the other teams that won before, like LA and Chicago, and soon to be Pittsburgh.
- UsernameUnknown

Their fans didn't win two cups.

Hawks fans have been behaving like they know more than everyone else for years now.

That was changed. They can use it now.
- Aetherial

Yeah, I just read up on it here:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...-matt-duchene-still-open/

Parts 2 and 3. They can use it now and just wipe $10.55M off the cap, but it's a bit dangerous because they can't use further LTIR in-season:

What are they? Well, it basically comes down to this: If someone gets hurt in training camp/pre-season and you can’t bury their contract, you could be in big trouble. So if Toronto’s players are wearing bubble-wrap, you’ll understand why.

if someone was to sign Mariner to an OS, that would screw the Leafs plan to sign him after the season has started.
- Symba007

Not really because that isn't their plan. They are just prepared for it now.