Exactly what I was saying....but will it be enough to avoid yet ANOTHER first round defeat. Personally I think the refs have it out for Toronto.

You didn't even add Clarksons totals. Will he be getting first PP unit time?

Kapanen - Matthews - Clarkson ??? man, what a first line.

Am I the only one that thinks they got Clarkson in order to replace / move Mariner for a couple of top pairing d men??
- RippedFuel

Are you high from huffing fuel?

Okay. So it's a little different that regular LTIR, you basically use it and it's gone (i.e. you cannot tap into more LTIR during the season, because you've already used your LTIR allowance). So they can strike $10.55M off the books right now, but they won't be able to use LTIR for any in-season allowances.

If that's the case, to be compliant on opening day, the can add $9.81M to their current roster. They could use the summer overage and add an extra $8.15M, but they'd have to make some trades and/or waive players if they exceed that $9.81M.

Not sure if the window is still open, but they could buy out Cody Ceci and save $3.75M with a penalty of only $750K next season. That would (should) be more than enough.
- jmatchett383

LTIR can be used during the off-season and the season.

Exactly what I was saying....but will it be enough to avoid yet ANOTHER first round defeat. Personally I think the refs have it out for Toronto.

You didn't even add Clarksons totals. Will he be getting first PP unit time?

Kapanen - Matthews - Clarkson ??? man, what a first line.

Am I the only one that thinks they got Clarkson in order to replace / move Mariner for a couple of top pairing d men??
- RippedFuel

I'm thinking they just role Clarkson out as a one man wrecking crew and ship marinara off for a nice shallot and wine sauce.

You are forgetting the one guys salary who would come off the 23 man roster to make room for marner. Which pushes that number back into the 10.55 range.
- mykokes

True. However, no one on the current 23-man roster is waiver exempt. I assume one of Agostino, or Holl would be the one.

if someone was to sign Mariner to an OS, that would screw the Leafs plan to sign him after the season has started.
- Symba007

The Leafs are not planning to sign him the season.

They are "preparing" for that eventuality.

They are no worse shape to match or not match an offersheet now, than they were before.

I think they would probably welcome it. There is nothing to suggest they are unprepared for that eventuality. They probably know exactly what they will or will not match and who they would trade away if necessary.

Exactly what I was saying....but will it be enough to avoid yet ANOTHER first round defeat. Personally I think the refs have it out for Toronto.

You didn't even add Clarksons totals. Will he be getting first PP unit time?

Kapanen - Matthews - Clarkson ??? man, what a first line.

Am I the only one that thinks they got Clarkson in order to replace / move Mariner for a couple of top pairing d men??
- RippedFuel

7

Maybe it is. I had 26, 27, 36 and 38 as the points for the 4 I listed leaving. Maybe one or more of them are not correwct. Possible. But that adds to 127.

And, as I said...points are not the be-all, end-all. It is just you stated more points came in than went out of the players I mentioned, when that wasn't even close to true. So just showed it was an incorrect statement. Carry on. I can see I have gotten some of you on the wrong track.
- hawk35

IT is true. Check the math

LTIR can be used during the off-season and the season.
- Aetherial

Yes. But in-season, it's not the total cap hit relief, the amount you exceed minus the max subtracted from the cap hit. For instance,

However, in the summer, you can take the full amount of $10.55M, but then I don't believer you can use further LTIR in-season since you've already taken the full amount.

Sigh. You guys.

First, I stated it was 5 guys.
second, I also stated that without Zaitsev, 4 vs 4.... slightly more went out than came in (point-wise)
third, I also stated Point are NOT everything.

I simply replied to a guiy who stated "MORE POINT CAME IN THAN WENT OUT. It wasn't close to true, so just pointed it out.

No malice intended. Just correcting a mis-statement.
- hawk35

It is true, you’re wrong.

True. However, no one on the current 23-man roster is waiver exempt. I assume one of Agostino, or Holl would be the one.
- jmatchett383

That's what training camp is for. Both of those may not even make the team.

Okay. So it's a little different that regular LTIR, you basically use it and it's gone (i.e. you cannot tap into more LTIR during the season, because you've already used your LTIR allowance). So they can strike $10.55M off the books right now, but they won't be able to use LTIR for any in-season allowances.

If that's the case, to be compliant on opening day, the can add $9.81M to their current roster. They could use the summer overage and add an extra $8.15M, but they'd have to make some trades and/or waive players if they exceed that $9.81M.

Not sure if the window is still open, but they could buy out Cody Ceci and save $3.75M with a penalty of only $750K next season. That would (should) be more than enough.
- jmatchett383

I don’t think you’re right

Funny seeing "Leaf Fans" on Twitter upset Dubas acquired Clarkson and wondering what line he'll play on

How can you be a hockey fan and think this?

It is true, you’re wrong.
- burn

I'm not even sure where he got his numbers...he posted 4 random totals to me.

I'm confused, who went out the door and who came in?

Out:
Zaitsev 14
Kadri 44
Brown 29
Hainsey 23
Gardiner 30
Equals 140 points

In:
Barrie 59
Ceci 26
Kerfoot 42
Spezza 27
Equals 154 points
- mykokes

But the hawk guy said it’s not true.

Yes. But in-season, it's not the total cap hit relief, the amount you exceed minus the max subtracted from the cap hit. For instance,

However, in the summer, you can take the full amount of $10.55M, but then I don't believer you can use further LTIR in-season since you've already taken the full amount.
- jmatchett383

No, you don't get "more" but if they go over the cap (in-season) by that amount, they can still use the LTIR for those guys.

Assuming that their overage included those guys in the first place.

It is not like they could have a payroll of 92 million not including Clarkson and Horton and then turn around and reduce the cap hit by the Horton and Clarkson contracts.

They didn't by themselves more room. They bought themselves flexibility on when they could tap into LTIR.

I don't exactly understand why this scenario is more flexible... but I believe it.

I think that the reason I read yesterday was that this helps them if there was an offer-sheet after the start of the season... thus taking away that leverage from the Marner camp.

I'm not even sure where he got his numbers...he posted 4 random totals to me.
- mykokes

Yup. Told him he’s wrong and check his math, his response was I’m wrong.

Trolls

But the hawk guy said it’s nit true.
- burn

He hasn't responded to me yet, so maybe he realized his mistake?

I hated Alberta, but I also grew up there. There is opportunity to make good money fast, or there was back in the early 2000s anyway. Perfect for that guy that flies to Thailand every month to bang a tranny or whatever. There is a lot to be said for being thousands of miles away from the goofs you grew up with, though.
- leafsfann

What if you didn't grow up with Goofs and the 4 of you are still best friends?

I'm confused, who went out the door and who came in?

Out:
Zaitsev 14
Kadri 44
Brown 29
Hainsey 23
Gardiner 30
Equals 140 points

In:
Barrie 59
Ceci 26
Kerfoot 42
Spezza 27
Equals 154 points
- mykokes

Thank god you were able to replace Equals by his brother. Those guy are points scoring machine!!!

Really wouldn't count on it.

The Leafs have brought in several guys like this before and the long schedule, plus never having played on North American ice is always an uphill battle for them. They tend to last half the season then hit a wall.

He seems to at least have NHL size but I'd probably say he'll bring no more than Lindholm did last year.

I'd be much more interested to see what Engvall can do for the Leafs 3rd line, LW. Much bigger body, much more NA experience and has paid his dues with the Marlies.
- JohnFergusonJr

Even if he only does minimal things, he'll still bring more than Lindholm did.

I can see him getting a few goals, which is more than Lindholm.

No, you don't get "more" but if they go over the cap (in-season) by that amount, they can still use the LTIR for those guys.

Assuming that their overage included those guys in the first place.

It is not like they could have a payroll of 92 million not including Clarkson and Horton and then turn around and reduce the cap hit by the Horton and Clarkson contracts.

They didn't by themselves more room. They bought themselves flexibility on when they could tap into LTIR.

I don't exactly understand why this scenario is more flexible... but I believe it.

I think that the reason I read yesterday was that this helps them if there was an offer-sheet after the start of the season... thus taking away that leverage from the Marner camp.
- Aetherial

Mike Johnson saying that using LTIR during the summer is a more complicated process but they can put players like Horton and Clarkson on LTIR during the summer in order to exceed the summer 10% over cap limit and buy themselves a couple of million dollars extra in cap space.

You won't be 0-20, you will just be no better than last year. Leafs will be a Top 3 in the Atlantic again and Top 6-7 overall. No regular season worries. Getting deeep in the playoffs won't be seen until May??....or, dare I say...June???
- hawk35

You can say June, pretty sure they add a defenseman late in the season to help them.

You can say June, pretty sure they add a defenseman late in the season to help them.
- bobbyisno1

July is when this team really makes a splash

You can say June, pretty sure they add a defenseman late in the season to help them.
- bobbyisno1

and July...Leafs will be that good.

July is when this team really makes a splash
- TheMussel

dammit you