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Forums :: Blog World :: Mike Augello: Leafs trade Sparks to Vegas, re-acquire Clarkson; The numbers game
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bryant
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.28.2011

Jul 23 @ 7:57 PM ET
That is the simplified version.

There is a lot we don't know about how the salary cap works.

- Santo_44

And this is where having prindham on the payroll is crucial and beneficial to the leafs.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 23 @ 7:57 PM ET
I know teams can't gain cap space.
- bobbyisno1

Nope.

But there are ways to manipulate the salary cap in ways we don't know...This has Pirdham all over it.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jul 23 @ 7:57 PM ET
Gonna have to settle on 22.
- Steven_Seagull

Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 23 @ 7:58 PM ET
And this is where having prindham on the payroll is crucial and beneficial to the leafs.
- bryant

Absolutely
Geez48
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jul 23 @ 7:58 PM ET
And this is where having prindham on the payroll is crucial and beneficial to the leafs.
- bryant

bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jul 23 @ 8:01 PM ET
Nope.

But there are ways to manipulate the salary cap in ways we don't know...This has Pirdham all over it.

- Santo_44

Sounds to me it was just a way to get Sparks 750 thou of the books and get a draft pick, Clarksons salary is 1 mill this year and it's insured to 80% so doesn't reall mean much to the Leafs.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jul 23 @ 8:01 PM ET
They long past the floor, I think its now around 60.2 million.
- bobbyisno1

bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jul 23 @ 8:03 PM ET
[quote=21peter]
Really, that high?
Crazy that the NHL can make teams spend that much.
Budi1782
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 08.06.2013

Jul 23 @ 8:03 PM ET
I saw Clarkson technically still has a NMC that he can submit a list of 14 teams to not be traded to. How comical would it have been if he'd have blocked a trade back to the Leafs
ClarksonDavid
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rielly wouldn't, crack top 4 on the sens team -PtotheY, SK
Joined: 03.15.2014

Jul 23 @ 8:03 PM ET
Siegel is wrong anyway, they have to use part of the cap space they have for Clarkson, when they put him on LTIR they just gain the space back.
- bobbyisno1

I think everyone saying this helps them make more cap room probably no more then you. (Cap friendly, weird other people who are obsessed with this type of thing on Twitter, people who are paid to follow the team and research how it works, Pridham, Dubas)
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jul 23 @ 8:04 PM ET
this is gonna be complicated maneuvering...


CapFriendly@CapFriendly
#Leafs could also build a roster that has a projected cap hit of $89,913,333 (or $8,413,333 above the ceiling). They then place Horton, Dermott & Hyman on LTIR on Oct 1 to cover the difference. Finally they place Clarkson on LTIR on Oct 2, giving them $5.2M in additional space.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 23 @ 8:04 PM ET
Sounds to me it was just a way to get Sparks 750 thou of the books and get a draft pick, Clarksons salary is 1 mill this year and it's insured to 80% so doesn't reall mean much to the Leafs.
- bobbyisno1

No.

I am pretty certain you need to put Horton on LTIR before the season starts.

Which would mean they would not get the full compensation if Marner wasn't signed.

Now they have 10.5 in LTIR which means they can sign him beyond OCT 1st.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jul 23 @ 8:06 PM ET
[quote=bobbyisno1]
Only Ottawa under the floor thus far...

big surprise
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jul 23 @ 8:07 PM ET
No way they can resign him.

Cap hell

Kyle Dumbass
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jul 23 @ 8:07 PM ET
No.

I am pretty certain you need to put Horton on LTIR before the season starts.

Which would mean they would not get the full compensation if Marner wasn't signed.

Now they have 10.5 in LTIR which means they can sign him beyond OCT 1st.

- Santo_44

Yeah but they had 10.5 already anyway.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jul 23 @ 8:09 PM ET
Me thinks Makita is obsessed
- nbboy

He's a strange one. I've never known someone hate something as much as that fella.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jul 23 @ 8:09 PM ET
season over already...?
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 23 @ 8:10 PM ET
Yeah but they had 10.5 already anyway.
- bobbyisno1


It's a contingency plan so they can sign Marner later, if they need to.

They're covering bases just in case it goes down like Nylander.

They're thinking of the worst case scenarios and trying to protect themselves if negotiations don't go as planned.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jul 23 @ 8:11 PM ET
I saw Clarkson technically still has a NMC that he can submit a list of 14 teams to not be traded to. How comical would it have been if he'd have blocked a trade back to the Leafs
- Budi1782




Luckily it was his dream to be a Leaf for a second time.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jul 23 @ 8:15 PM ET
It's a contingency plan so they can sign Marner later, if they need to.

They're covering bases just in case it goes down like Nylander.

They're thinking of the worst case scenarios and trying to protect themselves if negotiations don't go as planned.

- JohnFergusonJr


A good (short) thread on it here:

https://twitter.com/EarlS...tatus/1153799226175848454
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jul 23 @ 8:17 PM ET
this is gonna be complicated maneuvering...


CapFriendly@CapFriendly
#Leafs could also build a roster that has a projected cap hit of $89,913,333 (or $8,413,333 above the ceiling). They then place Horton, Dermott & Hyman on LTIR on Oct 1 to cover the difference. Finally they place Clarkson on LTIR on Oct 2, giving them $5.2M in additional space.

- 21peter


fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jul 23 @ 8:18 PM ET
Now that we have both, does that mean that we won the Horton-Clarkson trade, or that we lost it horribly??
- lumlums

Let's just call it a saw-off, Lums. 😄
Buck Norris
Joined: 07.03.2018

Jul 23 @ 8:20 PM ET
That is the simplified version.

There is a lot we don't know about how the salary cap works.

- Santo_44


Even simpler version. The league cap limit is 83 mill. But for the Leafs its 93.55. The Leafs technically have 15 mill in cap space at the moment to sign marner if need be (5.3 horton + 5.3clarkson + the 5 they already have) Dubas is pretty much a sneaky genius if ya think about it.
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jul 23 @ 8:24 PM ET
It's a contingency plan so they can sign Marner later, if they need to.

They're covering bases just in case it goes down like Nylander.

They're thinking of the worst case scenarios and trying to protect themselves if negotiations don't go as planned.

- JohnFergusonJr

I don't see how thats true, they only created the extra cap space by ditching Sparks.
Trading for a guy that goes on the books and then comes of the books doesn't give any extra relief.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 23 @ 8:26 PM ET
Even simpler version. The league cap limit is 83 mill. But for the Leafs its 93.55. The Leafs technically have 15 mill in cap space at the moment to sign marner if need be (5.3 horton + 5.3clarkson + the 5 they already have) Dubas is pretty much a sneaky genius if ya think about it.

- Buck Norris


Right so it protects them from an offer sheet.

Who knows maybe there was a serious threat of one and Dubas just called Pirdham and asked how to eliminate it.
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