IIRC, Stefan's career was derailed by bad concussions.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't know. I recall him just never living up to expectations. Looking at his numbers, he missed a lot of games over his career, so it's likely.

I used to pay less attention to the draft, but still followed it. I was not interested in the draft that year at all. We changed all that by drafting the swift Swiss miss, Luca Cereda.

Other than the Sedins very few NHL players in 1999. Must have been a lot of scouts fired.
- winsix

Yeah pretty much the Sedins, Zetterberg, Erat, Vrbata, Havlat and Connolly were the only good/decent players that draft year.

Very weak

Yeah pretty much the Sedins, Zetterberg, Erat, Vrbata, Havlat and Connolly were the only good/decent players that draft year.

Very weak
- LeafGuy89

powerful weak

Yeah pretty much the Sedins, Zetterberg, Erat, Vrbata, Havlat and Connolly were the only good/decent players that draft year.

Very weak
- LeafGuy89

Tom Kostopoulos!!!

Other than the Sedins very few NHL players in 1999. Must have been a lot of scouts fired.
- winsix

Zetterberg at #210 and Vrbata #212 was probably the best players in that draft other than the Sedins. Weird draft class!

Tom Kostopoulos!!!
- Scabeh

Nobody could take a punch like him

Yeah pretty much the Sedins, Zetterberg, Erat, Vrbata, Havlat and Connolly were the only good/decent players that draft year.

Very weak
- LeafGuy89

didn't see your comment...

Fool in the EK blog is trying to tell me that trading for Clarkson is cap circumvention.

Fool in the EK blog is trying to tell me that trading for Clarkson is cap circumvention.
- bobbyisno1

Its great isnt it

Its great isnt it
- senstroll

Well I just don't know what to think, The NHL approved it so it must be okay, but then againn they're all idiots.

Fool in the EK blog is trying to tell me that trading for Clarkson is cap circumvention.
- bobbyisno1

It might be

The Kovalchuk contract was by the book and was approved by the league but the spirit of the contract went against the cap and they were punished after the league changed their mind

The Leafs have every right to trade for Clarkson's contract according to current rules, and the league obviously approved it, but don't be surprised if someone raises a stink in a couple of days

It might be

The Kovalchuk contract was by the book and was approved by the league but the spirit of the contract went against the cap and they were punished after the league changed their mind

The Leafs have every right to trade for Clarkson's contract according to current rules, and the league obviously approved it, but don't be surprised if someone raises a stink in a couple of days
- TheMussel

But why, it does nothing for the Leafs cap situation other than gaining the 750K for trading Sparks.

Well I just don't know what to think, The NHL approved it so it must be okay, but then againn they're all idiots.
- bobbyisno1

It might be used in a way that was not originally intended, and the Leafs are hardly the first team to make such moves.

the thing is, when you put in rules like being able to put a player on LTIR it because a team having an injured player that they cant play but is then taking up a spot and cap space it not entirely fair, and if you have a few it screws the team.

The thing is, no matter what rules you put in place to try and "fix" things, Teams always find ways to work around them and figure out ways to to take advantage of things. its hard to put in rules for things you didnt see happenng in the first place

But why, it does nothing for the Leafs cap situation other than gaining the 750K for trading Sparks.
- bobbyisno1

But why, it does nothing for the Leafs cap situation other than gaining the 750K for trading Sparks.
- bobbyisno1

it accomplishes a few more things in regards to being able to sign marner and get around the contract dragging into the season.

Other fans are annoyed the Leafs have people smart enough to pull this stuff off now.
everyone is waiting for the Leafs to screw up and the cap to doom the team..and its not happening.

so now crying cap circumvention is the next thing

It might be

The Kovalchuk contract was by the book and was approved by the league but the spirit of the contract went against the cap and they were punished after the league changed their mind

The Leafs have every right to trade for Clarkson's contract according to current rules, and the league obviously approved it, but don't be surprised if someone raises a stink in a couple of days
- TheMussel

thing is, the leafs will not be able to spend more than 81.5M on a healthy roster. the spirit of LTIR is there to ensure teams can spend up-to the 81.5M on a healthy roster.

I might be used in a way that was not originally intended, and the Leafs are hardly the first team to make such moves.

the thing is, when you put in rules like being able to put a player on LTIR it because a team having an injured player that they cant play but is then taking up a spot and cap space it not entirely fair, and if you have a few it screws the team.

The thing is, no matter what rules you put in place to try and "fix" things, Teams always find ways to work around them and figure out ways to to take advantage of things. its hard to put in rules for things you didnt see happenng in the first place
- senstroll

Still, no matter what team he or Horton are on they'll be LTIR and therfore no cap hit.
They got a 4th for Sparks and have to pay 200 grand for Clarkson, why is there an issue?
Oh and they gained 750K in cap space.

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Read this dumb thing wrong. I got Fleury on Cam Ward. Ya I'll be good.

Still, no matter what team he or Horton are on they'll be LTIR and therfore no cap hit.
They got a 4th for Sparks and have to pay 200 grand for Clarkson, why is there an issue?
Oh and they gained 750K in cap space.
- bobbyisno1

Because its the Leafs and they are not having as hard a time to work around this Cap catastrophe everyone predicted.

Dubas and his team have made some good moves and its pissing people off

But why, it does nothing for the Leafs cap situation other than gaining the 750K for trading Sparks.
- bobbyisno1

The benefit comes in terms of the when.

You're right in that overall it's just LTIR and it doesn't necessarily matter because it's dollar for dollar.

But the dollar for dollar doesn't happen until you are at the cap ceiling.

Before this deal was made: On October 3 when the regular season starts, if the Leafs had a full team of 23 players (without Marner signed), the cap hit would be about $77m. If they put Horton on LTIR, the benefits of LTIR are not realized until you cap out - so $4.5m of Horton's $5.3m salary is used in reaching the cap ceiling. That leaves you $800k in accrued LTIR. That's not enough to sign Marner.

With this deal, they have $10.5m in LTIR space ready to go, because they are now capped out. It means that on October 3, they can put both these guys on LTIR, and that space - dollar for dollar - is now available for Marner.

Basically what the move does is protect Toronto against an offer sheet after the start of the season. They still need to get Marner signed, and sooner rather than later to protect against the prorated contract valuation - but it guarantees that they have $10.5m to do so.

Now, to that point, without the Clarkson deal, if they signed Marner today, it's fine, because Marner pushes them over the cap himself, and then they application of LTIR relief from Horton would be applied.

So, again, it's not just about the cap flexibility, it's the when of it that's really being prepared for.

It might be used in a way that was not originally intended, and the Leafs are hardly the first team to make such moves.

the thing is, when you put in rules like being able to put a player on LTIR it because a team having an injured player that they cant play but is then taking up a spot and cap space it not entirely fair, and if you have a few it screws the team.

The thing is, no matter what rules you put in place to try and "fix" things, Teams always find ways to work around them and figure out ways to to take advantage of things. its hard to put in rules for things you didnt see happenng in the first place
- senstroll

Yep. Teams pay guys to find loopholes in the cba.
It’s never going to be perfect.

It might be

The Kovalchuk contract was by the book and was approved by the league but the spirit of the contract went against the cap and they were punished after the league changed their mind

The Leafs have every right to trade for Clarkson's contract according to current rules, and the league obviously approved it, but don't be surprised if someone raises a stink in a couple of days
- TheMussel

Good post, I agree but not everything in the NHL is fair or every misdeed punished appropriately.

The benefit comes in terms of the when.

You're right in that overall it's just LTIR and it doesn't necessarily matter because it's dollar for dollar.

But the dollar for dollar doesn't happen until you are at the cap ceiling.

Before this deal was made: On October 3 when the regular season starts, if the Leafs had a full team of 23 players (without Marner signed), the cap hit would be about $77m. If they put Horton on LTIR, the benefits of LTIR are not realized until you cap out - so $4.5m of Horton's $5.3m salary is used in reaching the cap ceiling. That leaves you $800k in accrued LTIR. That's not enough to sign Marner.

With this deal, they have $10.5m in LTIR space ready to go, because they are now capped out. It means that on October 3, they can put both these guys on LTIR, and that space - dollar for dollar - is now available for Marner.

Basically what the move does is protect Toronto against an offer sheet after the start of the season. They still need to get Marner signed, and sooner rather than later to protect against the prorated contract valuation - but it guarantees that they have $10.5m to do so.

Now, to that point, without the Clarkson deal, if they signed Marner today, it's fine, because Marner pushes them over the cap himself, and then they application of LTIR relief from Horton would be applied.

So, again, it's not just about the cap flexibility, it's the when of it that's really being prepared for.
- Monkeypunk

What about the half a dozen NHL plugs / AHL players they signed today?

If the Clarkson contract gives them more cap space, what does signing those players do for the Leafs cap?

What about the half a dozen NHL plugs / AHL players they signed today?

If the Clarkson contract gives them more cap space, what does signing those players do for the Leafs cap?
- JohnFergusonJr

What about the half a dozen NHL plugs / AHL players they signed today?

If the Clarkson contract gives them more cap space, what does signing those players do for the Leafs cap?
- JohnFergusonJr

i didn't know marlies players under ~1M counted against the cap....