Good post, I agree but not everything in the NHL is fair or every misdeed punished appropriately.



- winsix

Also true. And keep in mind that the Leafs probably bring in a fifth of team earned league revenue, which probably gives them a bit of power to dodge criticism.

What about the half a dozen NHL plugs / AHL players they signed today?

If the Clarkson contract gives them more cap space, what does signing those players do for the Leafs cap?
- JohnFergusonJr

Nothing because they are all buried in the minors. You have your roster + any contracts in excess of $925k, if I'm not mistaken, that are counted towards your cap.

So your 23 player roster, and any AHL contracts over that $925 amount really does nothing. All of those guys are under the amount so they don't count towards the cap if they're in the minors.

Where is the 3rd one............
- Santo_44

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Also true. And keep in mind that the Leafs probably bring in a fifth of team earned league revenue, which probably gives them a bit of power to dodge criticism.
- TheMussel

That sounds like a bit much to me.

But carry on.

Nothing because they are all buried in the minors. You have your roster + any contracts in excess of $925k, if I'm not mistaken, that are counted towards your cap.

So your 23 player roster, and any AHL contracts over that $925 amount really does nothing. All of those guys are under the amount so they don't count towards the cap if they're in the minors.
- Monkeypunk

exatly, thats an easy one.

Also create competition for Jobs, get more players who are fringe NHLers and can fill in if needed.

i dont see a downside to those deals

i didn't know marlies players under ~1M counted against the cap....
- Tumbleweed

Some of them got 1 way contracts.

And what are the rules on who is a Marlie and who is a Leaf in the offseason?

Isn't that determined after training camp?

I’m assuming he meant playoffs.

I thought he was saying first rounders as in draft picks.
- Santo_44

Perhaps "rounders" shouldnt have been used.
I was referring to playoff rounds

That sounds like a bit much to me.

But carry on.
- Scabeh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

It looks like the plan is to put Horton/Clarkson on LTIR on day one to get the 11 million for MM, but that means Marner has to miss camp and sign on day 2? Other moves not withstanding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole
- TheMussel

Well if you're gonna hyperbole, (frank)ing go for it. Don't half-ass it!

Also true. And keep in mind that the Leafs probably bring in a fifth of team earned league revenue, which probably gives them a bit of power to dodge criticism.
- TheMussel

Not sure if that will work in the Leafs favour because of optics and recent penalty that Vancouver was given for the Luongo deal. They are also a big market team that puts money in the NHL till. To me this will not result in a penalty, discussion of a rule change for sure, but the worst transgressions in recent years were Hossa, Zetterberg and Lupul in no particular order.

Nothing because they are all buried in the minors. You have your roster + any contracts in excess of $925k, if I'm not mistaken, that are counted towards your cap.

So your 23 player roster, and any AHL contracts over that $925 amount really does nothing. All of those guys are under the amount so they don't count towards the cap if they're in the minors.
- Monkeypunk

But with neither season in progress, what determines who is in the minors in the offseason, before training camp?

Not sure if that will work in the Leafs favour because of optics and recent penalty that Vancouver was given for the Luongo deal. They are also a big market team that puts money in the NHL till. To me this will not result in a penalty, discussion of a rule change for sure, but the worst transgressions in recent years were Hossa, Zetterberg and Lupul in no particular order.
- winsix

Lupul was mushier than a fresh marshmallow. He had no business on the ice.

Some of them got 1 way contracts.

And what are the rules on who is a Marlie and who is a Leaf in the offseason?

Isn't that determined after training camp?
- JohnFergusonJr

i didn't know that players on 1-way contracts couldn't be assigned to the AHL...


training camp rosternomics. seems like we went from cap hell to roster hell.

Well if you're gonna hyperbole, (frank)ing go for it. Don't half-ass it!
- Scabeh

The Leafs make all the moneyzz. There are more Matthews jerseys in Arizona than Coyotes jerseys. 1967

The Leafs make all the moneyzz. There are more Matthews jerseys in Arizona than Coyotes jerseys. 1967
- TheMussel

That's my boy!

Lupul was mushier than a fresh marshmallow. He had no business on the ice.
- TheMussel

He could play, he just sucked from too much booger sugar

i didn't know that players on 1-way contracts couldn't be assigned to the AHL...


training camp rosternomics. seems like we went from cap hell to roster hell.
- Tumbleweed

Depends on what you mean?

Dudes on 1 way contracts can be waived and assigned to the AHL if they clear waivers. But only part of their cap gets buried and the remainder stays on the books.

See: Karl Alzner.

But with neither season in progress, what determines who is in the minors in the offseason, before training camp?
- JohnFergusonJr

I would suppose that the team defines it where required. You can have 50 contracts, and most teams float in and around that area, so there's a definition for it.

As for the one-way contracts, all that determines is your salary. If you sign a $700k one-way salary, you can still be assigned to the minors, still won't count against the cap because you're below $925k, but you'll be paid $700k - unlike the other bus-riding schlubs around you on two-way deals.

i didn't know that players on 1-way contracts couldn't be assigned to the AHL...


training camp rosternomics. seems like we went from cap hell to roster hell.
- Tumbleweed

They have to go through waivers if I'm not mistaken.

But with neither season in progress, what determines who is in the minors in the offseason, before training camp?
- JohnFergusonJr

i'm off to the internet to find out!

He could play, he just sucked from too much booger sugar
- winsix

The doctor ruled that he wasn't adequately healed from his abdominal hernia tho, innit?

It looks like the plan is to put Horton/Clarkson on LTIR on day one to get the 11 million for MM, but that means Marner has to miss camp and sign on day 2? Other moves not withstanding.
- aminnes

No. Because you can still go 10% over the cap or place those players on LTIR now if you need to.

This gives them the flexibility to sign Marner now or after the season starts because it loads up the salary to the cap ceiling, but $10.5m is LTIR space.

i didn't know that players on 1-way contracts couldn't be assigned to the AHL...


training camp rosternomics. seems like we went from cap hell to roster hell.
- Tumbleweed

You seem to not know a lot of things.

Capfriendly has Petan, Wilson, Agostino and Aberg all on the Leafs roster, giving the Leafs 14 forwards and 8.391 to sign Marner.

Not to mention, Harpur, Marincin and Holl too.

If these guys were in the AHL, maybe Capfriendly should put them there in their calculations.

They have to go through waivers if I'm not mistaken.
- aminnes

One-way and two-way contracts have nothing to do with waivers. They never have.

A player on a two-way deal is paid 'x' at the NHL and 'y' at the AHL.

A player on a one-way deal is paid the same regardless of where they are.

Waiver rules are waiver rules and are not beholden to the contract a player is offered.