Depends on what you mean?

Dudes on 1 way contracts can be waived and assigned to the AHL if they clear waivers. But only part of their cap gets buried and the remainder stays on the books.

See: Karl Alzner.
- TheMussel

well, that's good news. roster disaster averted.

No. Because you can still go 10% over the cap or place those players on LTIR now if you need to.

This gives them the flexibility to sign Marner now or after the season starts because it loads up the salary to the cap ceiling, but $10.5m is LTIR space.
- Monkeypunk

So signing him now or after camp makes no difference at this point?

Some of them got 1 way contracts.

And what are the rules on who is a Marlie and who is a Leaf in the offseason?

Isn't that determined after training camp?
- JohnFergusonJr

a 1 way contract only means the get paid and NHL salary when in the minors.

1 way/ 2 way only has to do with pay.

One-way and two-way contracts have nothing to do with waivers. They never have.

A player on a two-way deal is paid 'x' at the NHL and 'y' at the AHL.

A player on a one-way deal is paid the same regardless of where they are.

Waiver rules are waiver rules and are not beholden to the contract a player is offered.
- Monkeypunk

But if the guy gets waived/sent down on a one way his cap hit goes with him, no?

I would suppose that the team defines it where required. You can have 50 contracts, and most teams float in and around that area, so there's a definition for it.
- Monkeypunk

That's the mystery here; what's the definition in the offseason, who counts and who doesn't right now.

As for the one-way contracts, all that determines is your salary. If you sign a $700k one-way salary, you can still be assigned to the minors, still won't count against the cap because you're below $925k, but you'll be paid $700k - unlike the other bus-riding schlubs around you on two-way deals.

I know how 1-way contracts work during the season but perhaps in the offseason they count towards the NHL roster and maybe that's why Capfriendly has all the 1-way contracts listed on the NHL roster.

That being said, I liked the Aberg signing, I think he's a good depth player.

So signing him now or after camp makes no difference at this point?
- aminnes

It's easier to put Clarkson and Horton on LTIR once the season starts apparently. Players can be assigned to LTIR during the summer but it's a more difficult process. I think maybe it has something to do with the fact that each contract player goes through a physical in september to determine eligibility to play, or something.

But if the guy gets waived/sent down on a one way his cap hit goes with him, no?
- aminnes

anything up to 900K (or around that) get burried with the player.

example. if they were making 1.5 mil, the Leafs would keep 600K cap of they sent him down

You seem to not know a lot of things.

Capfriendly has Petan, Wilson, Agostino and Aberg all on the Leafs roster, giving the Leafs 14 forwards and 8.391 to sign Marner.

Not to mention, Harpur, Marincin and Holl too.

If these guys were in the AHL, maybe Capfriendly should put them there in their calculations.
- JohnFergusonJr

Cap friendly doesn’t make roster decisions for every team in the league so they’re not going to start shuffling people from the NHl to AHL. They send them all there before the season, Capfriendly will change then. Seems like crying for the sake of crying right now

a 1 way contract only means the get paid and NHL salary when in the minors.

1 way/ 2 way only has to do with pay.
- senstroll

I know that but on Capfriendly, all the 1-way contracts got listed on the NHL roster and are being counted against their cap.

So, the question I'm asking is, do those 1-way contracts count in the offseason and at what point do they start taking those guys off the list because it seems like that may not happen until training camp.

So signing him now or after camp makes no difference at this point?
- aminnes

Right. The basic gist is this: LTIR doesn't come into play until you're over $81.5m (the ceiling). So if they hit October 3 and haven't signed Marner, the team's cap hit is $77m or so. Horton's cap hit would have first been deducted from the $81.5m ceiling before it could apply, so you lose around $4m in cap flexibility.

This is the bizarre thing about LTIR. You don't want it, but if you've got to use it, then you may as well go all in.

Cap friendly doesn’t make roster decisions for every team in the league so they’re not going to start shuffling people from the NHl to AHL. They send them all there before the season, Capfriendly will change then.
- ClarksonDavid

They put all the 1-way contracts on the NHL list and all the 2-way contracts on the "non-roster" list.

You seem to not know a lot of things.

Capfriendly has Petan, Wilson, Agostino and Aberg all on the Leafs roster, giving the Leafs 14 forwards and 8.391 to sign Marner.

Not to mention, Harpur, Marincin and Holl too.

If these guys were in the AHL, maybe Capfriendly should put them there in their calculations.
- JohnFergusonJr

LTIR horton and clarkson. roster disaster averted.

I know that but on Capfriendly, all the 1-way contracts got listed on the NHL roster and are being counted against their cap.

So, the question I'm asking is, do those 1-way contracts count in the offseason and at what point do they start taking those guys off the list because it seems like that may not happen until training cap.
- JohnFergusonJr

oh, i see
not sure on that, but i assume it falls under the ..Team are allowed to go 10% over the cap in the off season.

and after training camp they get sent down

The doctor ruled that he wasn't adequately healed from his abdominal hernia tho, innit?
- TheMussel

That's probably correct, but for sure a little of this too.

Not sure if that will work in the Leafs favour because of optics and recent penalty that Vancouver was given for the Luongo deal. They are also a big market team that puts money in the NHL till. To me this will not result in a penalty, discussion of a rule change for sure, but the worst transgressions in recent years were Hossa, Zetterberg and Lupul in no particular order.
- winsix

Lupul failed the drug test cause he's a coke head, how is that a transgression?

That's the mystery here; what's the definition in the offseason, who counts and who doesn't right now.

I know how 1-way contracts work during the season but perhaps in the offseason they count towards the NHL roster and maybe that's why Capfriendly has all the 1-way contracts listed on the NHL roster.

That being said, I liked the Aberg signing, I think he's a good depth player.
- JohnFergusonJr

I don't know how roster players are allocated in the off-season either. Since you can go 10% over the cap, and you can have LTIR applied if you need it, it's not really a concern - but it's a good question.

I also like Aberg. There's some interesting competition in the bottom of the lineup.

LTIRbuzz

oh, i see
not sure on that, but i assume it falls under the ..Team are allowed to go 10% over the cap in the off season.

and after training camp they get sent down
- senstroll

I don't know how roster players are allocated in the off-season either. Since you can go 10% over the cap, and you can have LTIR applied if you need it, it's not really a concern - but it's a good question.

I also like Aberg. There's some interesting competition in the bottom of the lineup.
- Monkeypunk

Definitely, they can go over by 10% but what happens when Marner signs? They're going to be way over that 10% if these smaller contracts still count until after camp.

The broader question is, who actually counts against the cap for offseason cap compliance?

They put all the 1-way contracts on the NHL list and all the 2-way contracts on the "non-roster" list.
- JohnFergusonJr

Yeah but you can go over the cap by 10 percent since all these guys count right now then training camp rolls around you start sending all the guys that won’t make the team down and have to be compliant by the start of the season. Pretty much all there is too it no? Not sure when you can start calling guys minor players or what tho

Depends on what you mean?

Dudes on 1 way contracts can be waived and assigned to the AHL if they clear waivers. But only part of their cap gets buried and the remainder stays on the books.

See: Karl Alzner.
- TheMussel

All of it is burried if they make less than 925, which all those guys do.

That's probably correct, but for sure a little of this too.



- winsix

LTIRbuzz
- daeth

I told work I needed excel for work but in reality I just need it to keep up on hockey stuff.

Lupul failed the drug test cause he's a coke head, how is that a transgression?
- bobbyisno1

My wild guess would be that he needed some rehab rather than being on Robidas Island for 3 years.

All of it is burried if they make less than 925, which all those guys do.
- bobbyisno1

Yes, that is also true.

Right. The basic gist is this: LTIR doesn't come into play until you're over $81.5m (the ceiling). So if they hit October 3 and haven't signed Marner, the team's cap hit is $77m or so. Horton's cap hit would have first been deducted from the $81.5m ceiling before it could apply, so you lose around $4m in cap flexibility.

This is the bizarre thing about LTIR. You don't want it, but if you've got to use it, then you may as well go all in.
- Monkeypunk

Hard cap with guaranteed contracts is super dumb. Hopefully the players and owners realize a soft cap is the way to go.