Yeah but you can go over the cap by 10 percent since all these guys count right now then training camp rolls around you start sending all the guys that won’t make the team down and have to be compliant by the start of the season. Pretty much all there is too it no? Not sure when you can start calling guys minor players or what tho
- ClarksonDavid

I understand all this but what happens when Marner signs? If these guys all count, they might go over. That's why I'm trying to figure out who actually counts and who doesn't.

I know that but on Capfriendly, all the 1-way contracts got listed on the NHL roster and are being counted against their cap.

So, the question I'm asking is, do those 1-way contracts count in the offseason and at what point do they start taking those guys off the list because it seems like that may not happen until training camp.
- JohnFergusonJr

Which maybe points to Marner signing after the season starts, as the guys on TSN have been talking about.

Hard cap with guaranteed contracts is super dumb. Hopefully the players and owners realize a soft cap is the way to go.
- aminnes

NBA luxury tax isn't so bad. Let teams go over 10% all year round and give that money to the teams that are losing money.

Pontus

Nothing because they are all buried in the minors. You have your roster + any contracts in excess of $925k, if I'm not mistaken, that are counted towards your cap.

So your 23 player roster, and any AHL contracts over that $925 amount really does nothing. All of those guys are under the amount so they don't count towards the cap if they're in the minors.
- Monkeypunk

It's a little more complicated than that - I read an article a few days ago.

They look at what your salary was last year, and how many games you played in the NHL and pro-rate it.

So if you played most or all of your games in the AHL last year, and you made less than $1 million (or whatever the number now is), you don't count in the offseason against the cap.

NBA luxury tax isn't so bad. Let teams go over 10% all year round and give that money to the teams that are losing money.
- JohnFergusonJr

Man, Sodastreams ain't so bad, makes working from home much more bearable.

Hard cap with guaranteed contracts is super dumb. Hopefully the players and owners realize a soft cap is the way to go.
- aminnes

My guess would be hard cap and each team gets a mulligan or two like they did previously on a CBA. Each team can buy out one or two contracts of their worst nightmare contract. Could help teams like LA and Chicago alot.

Which maybe points to Marner signing after the season starts, as the guys on TSN have been talking about.
- aminnes

That's definitely one of the worst case scenarios because his cap hit will be higher this year, like it was for Nylander last year.

That's why they made the Clarkson move yesterday; to give themselves another layer of protection if negotiations go closer to the season than they expect.

I told work I needed excel for work but in reality I just need it to keep up on hockey stuff.
- TheMussel

I mostly just enjoy how obvious the cap circumvention is while the league just shrugs lol.

It's a little more complicated than that - I read an article a few days ago.

They look at what your salary was last year, and how many games you played in the NHL and pro-rate it.

So if you played most or all of your games in the AHL last year, and you made less than $1 million (or whatever the number now is), you don't count in the offseason against the cap.
- Atomic Wedgie

This is good news and explains the batch of guys they signed today.

I understand all this but what happens when Marner signs? If these guys all count, they might go over. That's why I'm trying to figure out who actually counts and who doesn't.
- JohnFergusonJr

Shore, agostino and spezza contracts haven't been filed with the nhl, per mirtle.

Seems like the leafs are on top of it.

I mostly just enjoy how obvious the cap circumvention is while the league just shrugs lol.
- daeth

It's the same as self employed individuals who start a corporation to benefit from the 12.5% corporate tax rate.

I understand all this but what happens when Marner signs? If these guys all count, they might go over. That's why I'm trying to figure out who actually counts and who doesn't.
- JohnFergusonJr

based on this, nothing happens. they put horton/clarkson on LTIR?

https://twitter.com/EarlS...tatus/1153799226175848454

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Now, with Horton *and* Clarkson, it looks a little different. If Marner signs before the season starts, the Leafs can get full relief from Horton/Clarkson, and there's no change from the original plan. On the other hand, this opens up the possibility of another holdout.

Shore, agostino and spezza contracts haven't been filed with the nhl, per mirtle.

Seems like the leafs are on top of it.
- Tumbleweed

The Toronto Maple Leafs announced the signings of six forwards and a defenceman on Wednesday.

Forwards Pontus Aberg, Kenny Agostino, Tyler Gaudet, Kalle Kossila

Here are the details of each signing:

Pontus Aberg: One-year, $700,000 (More details)

Kenny Agostino: Two-year, $1.475 million (More details)

Tyler Gaudet: One-year, $700,000 (More details)

Kalle Kossila: Two-year, 1.4 million (More details)

Nick Shore: One-year, $750,000 (More details)

Garrett Wilson: One-year, $725,000 (More details)

Kevin Gravel: One-year, $700,000 (More details)

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...even-free-agent-signings/

I understand all this but what happens when Marner signs? If these guys all count, they might go over. That's why I'm trying to figure out who actually counts and who doesn't.
- JohnFergusonJr

Why not just let the guys who get paid from the Organization worry about it. Clearly they have thought out every move they have made this offseason and wouldn't screw themselves over. As a matter of fact, it seems to are doing the complete opposite when it comes to screwing themselves over.

Gotta love Dubas, Pridham and the rest of the management team

It's the same as self employed individuals who start a corporation to benefit from the 12.5% corporate tax rate.
- TheMussel

i gotta do that asap

My wild guess would be that he needed some rehab rather than being on Robidas Island for 3 years.
- winsix

Yes he did, but he made 4.5, I think for 3 years, doing nothing.
So I'm gonna guess it was his choice, maybe he did do rehab and still is.

My guess would be hard cap and each team gets a mulligan or two like they did previously on a CBA. Each team can buy out one or two contracts of their worst nightmare contract. Could help teams like LA and Chicago alot.
- winsix

That kind of pissed me off last time, not going to lie. It wasn't a part of the CBA in which those contracts were signed. Teams got reckless and were gifted compliance buyouts after the fact.

It's a little more complicated than that - I read an article a few days ago.

They look at what your salary was last year, and how many games you played in the NHL and pro-rate it.

So if you played most or all of your games in the AHL last year, and you made less than $1 million (or whatever the number now is), you don't count in the offseason against the cap.
- Atomic Wedgie

Cool, that explains it. JFJ had asked, and it is a good question. So the team doesn't control it - a formula determines the applicability. Makes some sense.

Thank you.

based on this, nothing happens. they put horton/clarkson on LTIR?

https://twitter.com/EarlS...tatus/1153799226175848454
- senstroll

Don't like the "holdout" part of that tweet.

NBA luxury tax isn't so bad. Let teams go over 10% all year round and give that money to the teams that are losing money.
- JohnFergusonJr

Certainly better than this dumbness.

Hard cap with guaranteed contracts is super dumb. Hopefully the players and owners realize a soft cap is the way to go.
- aminnes

What's funny is that I go back and forth on this one.

Most of the people posting in this particular board are "have" teams (Toronto, Boston, Montreal) so a soft cap is extremely beneficial to us, and makes a lot of sense.

I have some friends who cheer for "have-not" teams, and prior to the cap, they were basically feeder teams. Draft a player, build them up, and watch them walk into Free Agency to a team that can afford them. Perhaps trade them while they're an RFA because you can't afford them then.

Poorer teams reap the rewards of the soft cap system in financial payouts, but the truth is they can never compete in that type of system financially - not on a larger scale (maybe they can keep one guy, but not two) - and all the while, because it's a soft-cap system, teams that can exceed the cap, raise the stakes and the salaries of everyone, causing the "have-not" teams to have even less.

Marner will miss training camp and wont be signed when season starts

My guess would be hard cap and each team gets a mulligan or two like they did previously on a CBA. Each team can buy out one or two contracts of their worst nightmare contract. Could help teams like LA and Chicago alot.
- winsix

True, but it always ends up catching up to teams. As we are seeing now. One or two mangers overpay and then it goes all wonky again.

What's funny is that I go back and forth on this one.

Most of the people posting in this particular board are "have" teams (Toronto, Boston, Montreal) so a soft cap is extremely beneficial to us, and makes a lot of sense.

I have some friends who cheer for "have-not" teams, and prior to the cap, they were basically feeder teams. Draft a player, build them up, and watch them walk into Free Agency to a team that can afford them. Perhaps trade them while they're an RFA because you can't afford them then.

Poorer teams reap the rewards of the soft cap system in financial payouts, but the truth is they can never compete in that type of system financially - not on a larger scale (maybe they can keep one guy, but not two) - and all the while, because it's a soft-cap system, teams that can exceed the cap, raise the stakes and the salaries of everyone, causing the "have-not" teams to have even less.
- Monkeypunk

Not that this is a soft cap situation, but the same can be said for football leagues across the world. I root for a "have-not" team in the premier league and it can be tough at times. These last few transfer windows in particular