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Jul 25 @ 10:11 AM ET
It’s just a silly statement. “If you put a top 6 forward with two 4th liners, he’s gonna struggle.”
All you’re proving with that statement is that he’s not McDavid. - Victoro311
Exactly...perfect for an all-tank team don't you say. A player who generates very little offence based on their own play and even less with bottom 6 players. Now add the fact that he is a liability for his team defensively every single time he is on the ice, yeah I would still take that kind of player to build the absolutely worst team.
Schneider's issue is his hip. He ended the season well but it looks like his previous hip injury took a toll on him. Perhaps he just needed extra time to back into the groove of things as he did seem to pick up near the end of the season. I know Giroux had one of his worst seasons the year after having hip surgery. I read an article where he said that he didnt feel right all season that year. Schneider would definately be a sleeper goalie candidate for Fantasy hockey but with Blackwood as well Im not sure who's going to get the bulk starts or if they split.
Exactly...perfect for an all-tank team don't you say. A player who generates very little offence based on their own play and even less with bottom 6 players. Now add the fact that he is a liability for his team defensively every single time he is on the ice, yeah I would still take that kind of player to build the absolutely worst team. - Glak18
Saying a legitimate top 6 forward is better for a tank team than a plug because *reasons* is stupid. Putting JVR on a line with 4th liners is still going to result in more wins than putting Tanner Glass on a line with other 4th liners.
Exactly...perfect for an all-tank team don't you say. A player who generates very little offence based on their own play and even less with bottom 6 players. Now add the fact that he is a liability for his team defensively every single time he is on the ice, yeah I would still take that kind of player to build the absolutely worst team. - Glak18
No its not. Whats perfect for an all tank team are guys that arent good. Putting 4th liners with stars doesnt magically make them good. Lucic played with McDavid and he played worse. Not being an elite player is not grounds to be considered a bad player and a guy to add to a tank team. He is a top goal scorer and despite the hate he does play hard. He is a winger, wingers arent big backcheckers.
Exactly...perfect for an all-tank team don't you say. A player who generates very little offence based on their own play and even less with bottom 6 players. Now add the fact that he is a liability for his team defensively every single time he is on the ice, yeah I would still take that kind of player to build the absolutely worst team. - Glak18
So here’s the issue I have with this... the way I look at the exercise is that you’re building a fantasy lineup to matchup against other fantasy lineups from other divisions and now the same process should be applied to the all tank teams. So even if you have JVR with McGinn and Dubinsky then they’re going to go up against some slouches from another division. JVR still has tons of skill and let’s not pretend like he shoots muffins because he doesn’t
On Dubinsky: he has a career of driving play while not having D zone starts dumped on him like crazy. He started almost 80% of his shifts in his own zone last year. That’s absolutely going to have an impact on CF. He wins 57% of his draws and he throws his weight around. His most common linemate was Riley Nash this last year. He paced 19 points with terrible QoT, shot 9.5%. Increasing his TOI to a 3rd line level raises his production to 24 points without JVR and McGinn
Once we see what the other teams look like it’ll be a more accurate analysis. I see this team as a decent third line which won’t struggle in its own zone with a meh 3rd D pairing and a 1B type goalie. My guess is the other teams will be worse
Schneider's issue is his hip. He ended the season well but it looks like his previous hip injury took a toll on him. Perhaps he just needed extra time to back into the groove of things as he did seem to pick up near the end of the season. I know Giroux had one of his worst seasons the year after having hip surgery. I read an article where he said that he didnt feel right all season that year. Schneider would definately be a sleeper goalie candidate for Fantasy hockey but with Blackwood as well Im not sure who's going to get the bulk starts or if they split. - xShoot4WarAmpsx
A buddy of mine (retiring this year) had the exact same surgery twice. He said “they say recovery is ~9 months until you’re back in game shape but you still don’t feel 100% for at least a year.” So, yes. Some of his struggles can be tied to his hip but prior to his stretch of solid hockey he was just plain letting in some soft ones
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Jul 25 @ 10:34 AM ET
I think the fact you are MJLing here and stuck on the number 5 says it all. I get it...you need to know where 5 comes from!!!
Let's see how many are scored without teammates doing all the heavy lifting...
P.S. This costs 7 million a year.... - Glak18
The hardest thing to do in the NHL is score goals and this guy had 27 in 66 games last season. He gets right around 30 a year, every year. He gets them in dirty areas. 7 mill for 30 goals is a good price these days.
The hardest thing to do in the NHL is score goals and this guy had 27 in 66 games last season. He gets right around 30 a year, every year. He gets them in dirty areas. 7 mill for 30 goals is a good price these days. - MattStrat
I will buy that you don’t want to give that contract to an aging one way non-star player, but to go a step further and argue that JVR actually sucks is absurd.
Wait, someone on here thinks JVR isn't good? That's a spicy meatball. - burgh4life87
Same brand of people who thought Kessel and prime Vanek sucked. Hockey isn’t basketball. You aren’t automatically a net negative if you don’t do the whole defense thing well.
hahaha this blog....can't believe JJ didnt make the cut... - MattStrat
JJ just wasn't good (bad?) enough !
I couldn't believe it when I saw this... after all the coverage RW provides, I just figured JJ was THE most gawd-awful hockey player ever. And that includes Rob Scuderi.
Too many people focus on that part specifically. Well, either that or physicality. People don't look at the balance of a lineup. - Rinosaur
It’s actually quite funny. Hockey is a sport where defensive deficiencies can be covered up relatively easily to other sports and most people make up their entire mind on a player based on perceived defensive ability. On the other hand, basketball is a sport where it’s hard to hide players that are matadors on defense and yet people completely ignore that aspect and make up their minds on players by how many buckets they get. It’s odd.
I think the fact you are MJLing here and stuck on the number 5 says it all. I get it...you need to know where 5 comes from!!!
Let's see how many are scored without teammates doing all the heavy lifting...
P.S. This costs 7 million a year.... - Glak18
I agree that he's not a guy who's going to rush the puck up the ice, skate through all 5 guys and deke the goalie out of his pants. And I agree that he's not good in the corners. All I said was that he scored 27 goals in 66 games. I also agreed that if you put him with less skilled players that his numbers would decrease.
But if you're gonna use this, then Brett Hull was nothing more than a 10 goal scorer since he was never a guy who did "the heavy lifting" and played with top-line talent. Wasn't fast, wasn't a great stickhandler, and didn't win many corner battles. All he was good at was standing at the circle and scoring 70 goals a year.
