Fack. Still playing? If not I've got a decent team

D.Sedin - H.Sedin - B.Richards


H.Zetterberg - V.Lecavalier (better than using Liles - Beachemin and Orpik on D)

Ryan Miller
- Barnaby36

I'm not going to even post a lineup because my goaltending options are Kari Lehtonen, Antti Niemi, and Curtis McElhinney. So yeah, I lose.

As much as I hated Barnaby, he was a pretty straight player. He had the most punchable face in NHL history (Marchand has since taken over), and he makes Sean Avery look like a school boy. But with few exceptions over a lengthy career, he would fight anyone, never turtled, and was never a dirty player. He would yap and give that big poop-eating grin, run you through the boards, and had no problem dropping the gloves.

But man, seeing Eric Lindros beat the piss out of him was so satisfying.

Edit: I really liked Dennis Bonvie, too. Dude was a little nuts and was usually out of his league at the NHL level, but was always more than willing to give it a go.
- jmatchett383

LOL
Lindros was like 6'4" and Barnaby 5'10'. He could take a few punches for sure. How about his fight with Chara (a few times) and Worrell? LOL Fn nuts

Bonvie was a fighter!

Except it's supposed to be " best position accurate team". Your D might be your team's undoing but I still think it would beat my team hahah.
- MattStrat

Haha I bet Zetterberg could play a little D if he wanted. Lecavalier was just the big size option on my lineup. The Sedins and Richards were Lady Bing's material. lol

LOL
Lindros was like 6'4" and Barnaby 5'10'. He could take a few punches for sure. How about his fight with Chara (a few times) and Worrell? LOL Fn nuts

Bonvie was a fighter!
- Barnaby36

That's what I mean about Barnaby; he'd take on anyone and didn't care about eating a few...but it was glorious when he did.

I believe Bonvie holds the AHL record for PIM in a single season, and that's saying something.

That's what I mean about Barnaby; he'd take on anyone and didn't care about eating a few...but it was glorious when he did.

I believe Bonvie holds the AHL record for PIM in a single season, and that's saying something.
- jmatchett383

Do you know a guy I really liked? Arron Asham. What a straight up guy. He was a good penguin while in Pittsburgh and I'm not even looking at stats, percentages and all that stuff. He was just a good character and awesome fighter. Try to listen to Barnaby's Unfiltered Podcast with him. He used to street fight and was a biker.

Do you know a guy I really liked? Arron Asham. What a straight up guy. He was a good penguin while in Pittsburgh and I'm not even looking at stats, percentages and all that stuff. He was just a good character and awesome fighter. Try to listen to Barnaby's Unfiltered Podcast with him. He used to street fight and was a biker.
- Barnaby36

I loved Asham until he cross checked Braydon Schenn's throat for delivering a clean hit. But aside from that, yeah, he was a decent player and an underrated fighter.

I loved Asham until he cross checked Braydon Schenn's throat for delivering a clean hit. But aside from that, yeah, he was a decent player and an underrated fighter.
- jmatchett383

I don't think I've ever seen Asham lose a fight. Honestly. Funny thing is he used to be a scorer in juniors.

I don't think I've ever seen Asham lose a fight. Honestly. Funny thing is he used to be a scorer in juniors.
- Barnaby36

He had a handful of 10+ goal seasons. He wasn't big, but he was solid and strong. He was also a very good technical fighter, and one of the few from the last decade who could probably have fought and done okay during the 80s/early 90s.

Also, most guys in the NHL, even the "replacement level" ( I hate that term so much) players were superstars on their junior teams. Otherwise, they'd be ECHL/AHL lifers. Just being in the NHL, again for MOST players, means you have better skill that 99.9% of all other hockey players.

It’s OT, you have to create a 3 player line. Your team is composed of:
- A player born the same year as you
- A player who has the same first name as you
- The player who won Art Ross the year you were born

Who you got?


I’ve got Geno, Josh Anderson, and the Great One
- j.boyd919

McDavid
Riikola
Lemieux

what if we traded Bryan Rust for Stephen Johns?

there is risk here...he missed all of last season with post traumatic headaches.

the upside is, he is a top-4 capable RHD. He's kind of Trouba-lite, imo. Pens don't necessarily need a RHD but Schultz is an unknown long term....and/or could make Gudbranson expendable. Saves us $1M on the cap. Bonus points for being a p-burgh native.

for the Stars, they get help up front theyve been looking for. a reliable swiss army knife + a guy whos won and is known for being clutch. Maybe helps them finally get over the hump?

Just throwing poop against the wall...

McDavid
Riikola
Lemieux
- jso97

That’s an interesting lineup lol

He had a handful of 10+ goal seasons. He wasn't big, but he was solid and strong. He was also a very good technical fighter, and one of the few from the last decade who could probably have fought and done okay during the 80s/early 90s.

Also, most guys in the NHL, even the "replacement level" ( I hate that term so much) players were superstars on their junior teams. Otherwise, they'd be ECHL/AHL lifers. Just being in the NHL, again for MOST players, means you have better skill that 99.9% of all other hockey players.
- jmatchett383

I mean yeah, but skill is all relative and they’re playing at the highest level. Do we really need to start every statement with this disclaimer “Jack Johnson is a million times better than me at hockey and would absolutely daddy me in a pond hockey game, but his skills pale in comparison to those of the average NHL defenseman who’s ability is beyond my mortal comprehension.” That’s understood.

what if we traded Bryan Rust for Stephen Johns?

there is risk here...he missed all of last season with post traumatic headaches.

the upside is, he is a top-4 capable RHD. He's kind of Trouba-lite, imo. Pens don't necessarily need a RHD but Schultz is an unknown long term....and/or could make Gudbranson expendable. Saves us $1M on the cap. Bonus points for being a p-burgh native.

for the Stars, they get help up front theyve been looking for. a reliable swiss army knife + a guy whos won and is known for being clutch. Maybe helps them finally get over the hump?

Just throwing poop against the wall...
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Already have a logjam at RD with Letang, Schultz, and Guddy so there’s no real need to even try to take a risk on him and given that he’s not that good, I see no point in banking on him to replace Schultz.

what if we traded Bryan Rust for Stephen Johns?

there is risk here...he missed all of last season with post traumatic headaches.

the upside is, he is a top-4 capable RHD. He's kind of Trouba-lite, imo. Pens don't necessarily need a RHD but Schultz is an unknown long term....and/or could make Gudbranson expendable. Saves us $1M on the cap. Bonus points for being a p-burgh native.

for the Stars, they get help up front theyve been looking for. a reliable swiss army knife + a guy whos won and is known for being clutch. Maybe helps them finally get over the hump?

Just throwing poop against the wall...
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Trade my favorite guy on that Notre Dame team for my least favorite guy on that Notre Dame team. My frustration would be out of this world.

He had a handful of 10+ goal seasons. He wasn't big, but he was solid and strong. He was also a very good technical fighter, and one of the few from the last decade who could probably have fought and done okay during the 80s/early 90s.

Also, most guys in the NHL, even the "replacement level" ( I hate that term so much) players were superstars on their junior teams. Otherwise, they'd be ECHL/AHL lifers. Just being in the NHL, again for MOST players, means you have better skill that 99.9% of all other hockey players.
- jmatchett383

You could handpick a few players that had a specific skills and made the NHL without being stars on their junior teams. A few fighters and defensive forwards.

Already have a logjam at RD with Letang, Schultz, and Guddy so there’s no real need to even try to take a risk on him and given that he’s not that good, I see no point in banking on him to replace Schultz.
- j.boyd919

I get it... it's just more appealing to me than trading Rust for futures simply to clear cap space. We still would get to clear enough space to sign Pettersson and be cap-compliant but we're getting big upside. If he isnt able to play or doesnt pan out, it's still a better gamble (imo) than a pick or prospect.

If he looks promising, I think it'd be fairly easy to trade/sell high on Gudbranson.

I get it... it's just more appealing to me than trading Rust for futures simply to clear cap space. We still would get to clear enough space to sign Pettersson and be cap-compliant but we're getting big upside. If he isnt able to play or doesnt pan out, it's still a better gamble (imo) than a pick or prospect.

If he looks promising, I think it'd be fairly easy to trade/sell high on Gudbranson.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I don’t see how trading Rust for a bad player is better than trading for cap relief which gives GMJR money to play with towards the deadline to improve the roster closer to playoffs lol what upside? Dude put up 15 points in his last season at 25 lol there’s no upside there.

I mean yeah, but skill is all relative and they’re playing at the highest level. Do we really need to start every statement with this disclaimer “Jack Johnson is a million times better than me at hockey and would absolutely daddy me in a pond hockey game, but his skills pale in comparison to those of the average NHL defenseman who’s ability is beyond my mortal comprehension.” That’s understood.
- Victoro311

I only said that because he noted that Asham was a big scorer in juniors. And I'm just saying that it's true for most NHL players.

I don’t see how trading Rust for a bad player is better than trading for cap relief which gives GMJR money to play with towards the deadline to improve the roster closer to playoffs lol what upside? Dude put up 15 points in his last season at 25 lol there’s no upside there.
- j.boyd919

Okay...and Brian Dumoulin puts up 15-20 points a season playing huge minutes with one of the best offensive defensemen in the league. Is he a bad player?

Johns isnt a bad player. His metrics are above average. He's a suitable 2nd pairing D. Much better than Rikkola, Johnson, and Gudbranson...probably about equivalent of Pettersson. The risk is just injury related.

Okay...and Brian Dumoulin puts up 15-20 points a season playing huge minutes with one of the best offensive defensemen in the league. Is he a bad player?

Johns isnt a bad player. His metrics are above average. He's a suitable 2nd pairing D. Much better than Rikkola, Johnson, and Gudbranson...probably about equivalent of Pettersson. The risk is just injury related.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Is that supposed to be a compliment?

Okay...and Brian Dumoulin puts up 15-20 points a season playing huge minutes with one of the best offensive defensemen in the league. Is he a bad player?

Johns isnt a bad player. His metrics are above average. He's a suitable 2nd pairing D. Much better than Rikkola, Johnson, and Gudbranson...probably about equivalent of Pettersson. The risk is just injury related.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I don't think Dumoulin is your preferred 1st pair defenseman, he just happens to work fairly well with Letang for some reason. On a team with a deeper blueline, he's more likely to be a 4-6 guy.

Is that supposed to be a compliment?
- jmatchett383

No, it's meant to be a realistic view of our current defense. He's better than half our current defenseman and cheap enough to alleviate our current cap issues. LIkely would be our 4th best d-man, hence, improving the team. Pretty low risk contract too... 2 years remaining @ $2.3M

Again, the overall point is that I'd rather do something like this than trade Rust for futures that wont make an impact in the next 2-3 years. Free agency is obviously not the solution.

No, it's meant to be a realistic view of our current defense. He's better than half our current defenseman and cheap enough to alleviate our current cap issues. LIkely would be our 4th best d-man, hence, improving the team. Pretty low risk contract too... 2 years remaining @ $2.3M

Again, the overall point is that I'd rather do something like this than trade Rust for futures that wont make an impact in the next 2-3 years. Free agency is obviously not the solution.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I agree that it's better than picks, but I don't think it's a good trade, either.

I only said that because he noted that Asham was a big scorer in juniors. And I'm just saying that it's true for most NHL players.
- jmatchett383

Ah gotcha. Yeah didn’t Talbot put up crazy numbers in juniors too?

Came back late...not sure what this game is besides a more productive way to use this down time than negativity, so I applaud you guys.

A thought. Galchenyuk (does he have a chosen nickname here yet?) and the Pens posted that “arrival” video. Is it possible that he gets swept up in the Penguin way and finds his game in a big way?

And in the adverse, if the Penguin way is so awe inspiring to Galchenyuk, freaking Phil is gonna miss it if Arizona is so not the Penguin way.
- Doogs

Some call him Gally but Gallagher already had that nickname so most call him Chucky