Looks like they’re burring 1.3ish.
- dadeadhead

That’s kind of surprising that they’d “bury” 1.3mil when they could’ve gotten relief for all of Callahan’s 5.8mil?

They must be ready to sign Point & need the “overage” room

But that’s definitely gonna mean they’ve gotta dump at least 1 decent salary before the season,
possibly 2

In English .... where you going with this?
- Sabretooth9

Risto and a 3rd = Ehlers and Perrault


Gardiner in - Bogo or whoever 24 is out.

My guess

In English .... where you going with this?
- Sabretooth9

Risto + Borgen
for
Roslovic + Perrault

Then
Add Gardner for 4yrs, 6mil per


*no thanks imo
Take out Borgen, sub Ehlers for Roslovic
And i think i even want a pick from them if we are taking on Perreault’s 4mil Cap hit

Risto + Borgen
for
Roslovic + Perrault

Then
Add Gardner for 4yrs, 6mil per


*no thanks imo
Take out Borgen, sub Ehlers for Roslovic
And i think i even want a pick from them if we are taking on Perreault’s 4mil Cap hit
- jdfitz77

Yours makes more sense.

I thought 28 and Ehlers wasn't right.

That’s kind of surprising that they’d “bury” 1.3mil when they could’ve gotten relief for all of Callahan’s 5.8mil?

They must be ready to sign Point & need the “overage” room

But that’s definitely gonna mean they’ve gotta dump at least 1 decent salary before the season,
possibly 2
- jdfitz77

They have room to sign Point but they are screwed for next season

That’s kind of surprising that they’d “bury” 1.3mil when they could’ve gotten relief for all of Callahan’s 5.8mil?

They must be ready to sign Point & need the “overage” room

But that’s definitely gonna mean they’ve gotta dump at least 1 decent salary before the season,
possibly 2
- jdfitz77

They wouldn't get full relief though. They may be able to maneuver enough to come close. The move gives them a little more flexibility. It doesn't seem terribly significant, but like you said, there's moves/signings coming.

Yours makes more sense.

I thought 28 and Ehlers wasn't right.
- thatsapickle

Pretty sure Ehlers is 27

I wasn’t sure if the “3” was Borgen or a 3rd
But either way, that should be taken out & we should get extra for taking 85’s Cap Hit off their hands

They wouldn't get full relief though. They may be able to maneuver enough to come close. The move gives them a little more flexibility. It doesn't seem terribly significant, but like you said, there's moves/signings coming.
- Lunaion

They wouldn’t? How so?

They have room to sign Point but they are screwed for next season
- Stripes77

They have 10 mil plus the 8.1 overage.

As you said they have plenty of space now.

Next year, not so much.

Should the NHL stop these types of trades? I mean, the rich get richer and the cheap teams that want to get to the cap floor take on these deals to get there. This is a bad deal for Ottawa (minus the cap hit, to get to the cap floor).
- Lilroot9

Why? Ottawa doesn't have to pay any money to Callahan, the insurance company does, and they subtract Condon's hit. It's a fantastic move for Ottawa, they get free money to get to the cap floor. And in fact, make money in the deal.

Risto + Borgen
for
Roslovic + Perrault

Then
Add Gardner for 4yrs, 6mil per


*no thanks imo
Take out Borgen, sub Ehlers for Roslovic
And i think i even want a pick from them if we are taking on Perreault’s 4mil Cap hit
- jdfitz77

Yeah. I don’t want to give up on Borgen that easily. But overall not a terrible trade. I don’t think we have enough cap space for Ehlers

But Gardiner for that contract is fine with me. If he truly is hurt. He can be put on IR.

Some picks were involved also.
- jochfr

Are you trying to trigger Homie?

They have room to sign Point but they are screwed for next season
- Stripes77

They do have a decent amount of kids that look “ready” based on their point totals
*obviously i don’t watch their minor league team, so idk all that much about their guys outside of stats & a few random posts I’ve seen

They’re really gonna have to be top heavy next year for sure

Palat, Gourde, Kilorn might all have to be shipped out
Possibly more if they can’t convince some of their RFAs to take smaller bridge deals

Yeah. I don’t want to give up on Borgen that easily. But overall not a terrible trade. I don’t think we have enough cap space for Ehlers

But Gardiner for that contract is fine with me. If he truly is hurt. He can be put on IR.
- Sabretooth9

I know some ppl don’t like Ehlers bc of the 0 goals in the playoffs
But for me,
he’s the type of guy you find the Cap room for

He’s only like .6mil more than Risto
Taking on Perrault’s 4.1mil is the issue
But if we can dump Sobatka’s 3.5m somewhere,
then we’re only talking 1.2mil total in added Cap

But then we gotta do something like move out either Sheary or Bogo to make room for Gardiner

All possible moves for sure
Just kinda complicated I’d guess

Sens did their division rival a huge favor IMO
- homiedclown

And their bottomline an even bigger one.

They wouldn’t? How so?
- jdfitz77

Feel like we've gone through this a lot, and the details are all on cap friendly. The concept behind LTIR is that you get credit for the player replacing the injured player, not full credit for the injured player himself. To max your credit, really beyond the intention of the rule, you usually have to do some roster manipulation involving other players. I don't know how close they could have come.

Tampa Bay is pretty screwed next year. They need to quit handing out NTCs like there candy.

If memory serves me they do not have to put him on LTIR and can use the cap hit.

Don’t quote me though.
- dadeadhead

Yep, Sabres did that with McCormick. The cap hit counts whether he's on LTIR or not, the reason you wouldn't put him on LTIR is if you don't need the space(probably have to pay a lawyer to draw up paperwork), and neither the Sabres nor the Sens need the space, so it doesn't really matter.

Feel like we've gone through this a lot, and the details are all on cap friendly. The concept behind LTIR is that you get credit for the player replacing the injured player, not full credit for the injured player himself. To max your credit, really beyond the intention of the rule, you usually have to do some roster manipulation involving other players. I don't know how close they could have come.
- Lunaion

Sure... but they could’ve essentially gone over the Cap by 5.8mil if they needed to
That’s my point

Go over the Cap by up to 5.8mil
Or
Bury Condon & lose 1.3mil in Cap Space

Curious decision by Tampa unless they need that extra “overage” space NOW
And then still have some kind of salary dump or 2 yet to come

I know some ppl don’t like Ehlers bc of the 0 goals in the playoffs
But for me,
he’s the type of guy you find the Cap room for

He’s only like .6mil more than Risto
Taking on Perrault’s 4.1mil is the issue
But if we can dump Sobatka’s 3.5m somewhere,
then we’re only talking 1.2mil total in added Cap

But then we gotta do something like move out either Sheary or Bogo to make room for Gardiner

All possible moves for sure
Just kinda complicated I’d guess
- jdfitz77

Yeah, teams can definitely can find cap space when they need it. Tampa just did it. Hawks leafs etc all have done it.

Sure... but they could’ve essentially gone over the Cap by 5.8mil if they needed to
That’s my point

Go over the Cap by up to 5.8mil
Or
Bury Condon & lose 1.3mil in Cap Space

Curious decision by Tampa unless they need that extra “overage” space NOW
And then still have some kind of salary dump or 2 yet to come
- jdfitz77

DD said it earlier. This move bought them time. They can now go about $8 million over the cap if they need to after Point et. al. are signed.

Yeah, teams can definitely can find cap space when they need it. Tampa just did it. Hawks leafs etc all have done it.
- Sabretooth9

The more I see this, though, the more I think the league should just go to a soft cap/luxury tax system.

The more I see this, though, the more I think the league should just go to a soft cap/luxury tax system.
- buffalofan19

Then Philly, Rags, Leafs, and Canadiens overpay for everyone again.

It’ll be pre 04/05 all over again.

Don’t worry final destination will come after him
- gerbe75pts

I doubt it, Karma isn't real, and sh¡tty people continue to be sh¡tty people. Karma is only a thing in the movies.

Then Philly, Rags, Leafs, and Canadiens overpay for everyone again.

It’ll be pre 04/05 all over again.
- dadeadhead

You can still max it out, though, like the NBA is doing.

I think it works both ways. The stars will get paid, but the gap between them and the "good" or even "very good" players will be wider, as it should be.