You can still max it out, though, like the NBA is doing.

I think it works both ways. The stars will get paid, but the gap between them and the "good" or even "very good" players will be wider, as it should be.
- buffalofan19

They need to get rid of guaranteed contracts.

Allow for the reworking of deals.

Then Philly, Rags, Leafs, and Canadiens overpay for everyone again.

It’ll be pre 04/05 all over again.
- dadeadhead

We're one of those teams now. If Pegula owned the team before the cap was instituted, we probably would have a super team

We're one of those teams now. If Pegula owned the team before the cap was instituted, we probably would have a super team
- jcragcrumple

I think money is more of an issue for them then what one thinks.

I doubt it, Karma isn't real, and sh¡tty people continue to be sh¡tty people. Karma is only a thing in the movies.
- Wetbandit1

We're all poopty people measuring ourselves against standards that make us feel less poopty about ourselves.

They need to get rid of guaranteed contracts.

Allow for the reworking of deals.
- dadeadhead

I don't think the PA goes for that without getting rid of the hard cap. The trade-off with guaranteed contracts is lower salaries across the board. Without the guaranteed money, they're going to want the ability to be paid more.

Sure... but they could’ve essentially gone over the Cap by 5.8mil if they needed to
That’s my point

Go over the Cap by up to 5.8mil
Or
Bury Condon & lose 1.3mil in Cap Space

Curious decision by Tampa unless they need that extra “overage” space NOW
And then still have some kind of salary dump or 2 yet to come
- jdfitz77

Not looking to debate this. Hopefully you've seen that it's exceptionally difficult to get the maximum possible relief and that there's value in not having to juggle LTIR for the entire season.

I think money is more of an issue for them then what one thinks.
- dadeadhead

I think it's "Yes" and "No". I still think the O'Reilly/July 1 fiasco was more of a matter of Pegula's ego than not being able to afford it or some sudden epiphany of fiscal responsibility.

However, if the Sabres aren't turning a profit, there could also be issues there. I know it will never happen, but I would love to see all pro sports teams' Financial Statements become public, just like publicly traded companies.

I think money is more of an issue for them then what one thinks.
- dadeadhead

I have no doubt we'd be top 10 in spending if not top 5

I don't think the PA goes for that without getting rid of the hard cap. The trade-off with guaranteed contracts is lower salaries across the board. Without the guaranteed money, they're going to want the ability to be paid more.
- buffalofan19

In 1990 the LA Kings had the highest payroll in the NHL.

$7.46 million.......




(Was looking for other info and came across that)

In 1990 the LA Kings had the highest payroll in the NHL.

$7.46 million.......




(Was looking for other info and came across that)
- dadeadhead

I was about to make a comment along the lines of good luck convincing the Union that this is relevant.

DD said it earlier. This move bought them time. They can now go about $8 million over the cap if they need to after Point et. al. are signed.
- buffalofan19

Right
Bought them time
But still hurts their bottom line by the 1.3mil in Cap Space they have to use to bury Condon

This trade essentially just made Tampa Cap limit go from 81.5mil to 80.2mil to fit all the guys on their regular season roster

I was about to make a comment along the lines of good luck convincing the Union that this is relevant.
- buffalofan19

Gretzky made $41.877 mil in his NHL career 184th all time ($72.29 in today’s dollars good for 77th all time)

Not looking to debate this. Hopefully you've seen that it's exceptionally difficult to get the maximum possible relief and that there's value in not having to juggle LTIR for the entire season.
- Lunaion

Not really any different then a team who has no one on LTIR and is right up against the Cap

LTIR basically lets them wipe Callahan off their books
I know that’s a simplification,
but it’s what ends up happening

Gretzky made $41.877 mil in his NHL career 184th all time ($72.29 in today’s dollars good for 77th all time)


- dadeadhead

He’d probably be making 15mil a year if he were playing today

He’d probably be making 15mil a year if he were playing today
- jdfitz77

His prorated for his final year was $9.22 which placed him 6th in the league.

Not really any different then a team who has no one on LTIR and is right up against the Cap

LTIR basically lets them wipe Callahan off their books
I know that’s a simplification,
but it’s what ends up happening
- jdfitz77

But it is significantly different, so why over-simplify? That's why you're not seeing TB's side of this.

His prorated for his final year was $9.22 which placed him 6th in the league.
- dadeadhead

If Gretzky was playing now, I'm not sure the league has the same CBA it does now. The players probably have more leverage.

Right
Bought them time
But still hurts their bottom line by the 1.3mil in Cap Space they have to use to bury Condon

This trade essentially just made Tampa Cap limit go from 81.5mil to 80.2mil to fit all the guys on their regular season roster
- jdfitz77

No, it doesn't. Callahan's hit counts no matter if he's on LTIR or not. They save like $4.5M. Callahan at $5.8M and Condon's buried hit at $1.3M.

Member that time the Peace Bridge opened for jumpers? I member.

Dolphins' HC Brian Flores today, on Miami's QB competition between Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh Rosen: "It's pretty clear to me that Ryan Fitzpatrick is leading the way."

He’d probably be making 15mil a year if he were playing today
- jdfitz77

He'd be hard capped at 20% of the ceiling; if McDavid was a $12.5M player 2 years ago, Gretzky is worth more than twice that. And since you can't pay a player that much under the CBA, he'd be hard capped.

Member that time the Peace Bridge opened for jumpers? I member.

Dolphins' HC Brian Flores today, on Miami's QB competition between Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh Rosen: "It's pretty clear to me that Ryan Fitzpatrick is leading the way."
- TheSabresTaco

Wow. Sounds like I should be happy the Giants went for Daniel Jones then with six instead of trying to trade for Rosen.

Member that time the Peace Bridge opened for jumpers? I member.

Dolphins' HC Brian Flores today, on Miami's QB competition between Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh Rosen: "It's pretty clear to me that Ryan Fitzpatrick is leading the way."
- TheSabresTaco

But Rosen's the most ready!

Member that time the Peace Bridge opened for jumpers? I member.

Dolphins' HC Brian Flores today, on Miami's QB competition between Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh Rosen: "It's pretty clear to me that Ryan Fitzpatrick is leading the way."
- TheSabresTaco

Ryan Fitzpatrick is 8000 yards away from being in the top 25 all time in yards.


Let that sink in for a minute.

But it is significantly different, so why over-simplify? That's why you're not seeing TB's side of this.
- Lunaion

I don’t think it is significantly different

If Tampa has everyone signed except Point,
with 4.0mil of Cap Space left

Putting Callahan on LTIR would allow them to use whatever portion of his Cap hit they want/need to get Point signed

So they could sign him to a 9.8mil per deal & still be Cap compliant

That’s really not any different than if they traded Callahan & didn’t take back Condon

Either way...
that 5.8mil is available for them to use

Making it more complicated than that is what’s unnecessary imo

He'd be hard capped at 20% of the ceiling; if McDavid was a $12.5M player 2 years ago, Gretzky is worth more than twice that. And since you can't pay a player that much under the CBA, he'd be hard capped.
- Wetbandit1

Like I said, though, if Gretzky plays today (assuming in his prime), the CBA isn't structured the way it is. The Union has a lot more leverage.