Ryan Fitzpatrick is 8000 yards away from being in the top 25 all time in yards.


Let that sink in for a minute.
- dadeadhead

If that included the yards that DB's got off of his interceptions he'd be leading the NFL.

Well, well, well, well, well..... Well, well..

https://twitter.com/chris.../1156279632217464832?s=19

I'd like to protest the Johnson pick, and I'd like to protest Cole Caufields position in the lineup

He'd be hard capped at 20% of the ceiling; if McDavid was a $12.5M player 2 years ago, Gretzky is worth more than twice that. And since you can't pay a player that much under the CBA, he'd be hard capped.
- Wetbandit1

So just over 16mil if he signed this year then

Imagine if there was no Cap right now,
how much Gretzky would make???

Didn’t Bobby Holik make like 20mil a year from the Rangers at 1 point?
Or am i thinking of Jagr?

I don’t think it is significantly different

If Tampa has everyone signed except Point,
with 4.0mil of Cap Space left

Putting Callahan on LTIR would allow them to use whatever portion of his Cap hit they want/need to get Point signed

So they could sign him to a 9.8mil per deal & still be Cap compliant

That’s really not any different than if they traded Callahan & didn’t take back Condon

Either way...
that 5.8mil is available for them to use

Making it more complicated than that is what’s unnecessary imo
- jdfitz77

No, that's not how it works. If they had $4M in space, and then put Callahan on LTIR they'd have $1.8M over the ceiling to play with. You only get relief of the amount over the cap.

Like I said, though, if Gretzky plays today (assuming in his prime), the CBA isn't structured the way it is. The Union has a lot more leverage.
- buffalofan19

Would they though? I don't know. Why would they?

This is not sarcasm, I really don't see a reason why they'd have that much more leverage.

No, that's not how it works. If they had $4M in space, and then put Callahan on LTIR they'd have $1.8M over the ceiling to play with. You only get relief of the amount over the cap.
- Wetbandit1

Ding ding

No, it doesn't. Callahan's hit counts no matter if he's on LTIR or not. They save like $4.5M. Callahan at $5.8M and Condon's buried hit at $1.3M.
- Wetbandit1

That’s not totally correct

If they kept Callahan & put him on LTIR,
they’d be able to use all of that 5.8mil to get Point signed

Now that they traded Cally,
they obviously still got his 5.8 to work with
BUT
u gotta subtract the 1.3mil from taking back Condon

So it gives them 5.8mil more room for “overage” in the summer

But 1.3mil LESS to work with once the season starts

If that included the yards that DB's got off of his interceptions he'd be leading the NFL.
- gcomella34

Favre would be #1 then.

Ryan Fitzpatrick is 8000 yards away from being in the top 25 all time in yards.


Let that sink in for a minute.
- dadeadhead

i never would have guessed that.. wow

i never would have guessed that.. wow
- SabresFaninIndiana

Yep

That’s not totally correct

If they kept Callahan & put him on LTIR,
they’d be able to use all of that 5.8mil to get Point signed

Now that they traded Cally,
they obviously still got his 5.8 to work with
BUT
u gotta subtract the 1.3mil from taking back Condon

So it gives them 5.8mil more room for “overage” in the summer

But 1.3mil LESS to work with once the season starts
- jdfitz77

When a player is placed on LTIR, their cap hit remains on the teams cap payroll and it continues to count as it always did. It also does not provide the club with additional cap-space savings that can be banked for future use while the team operates above the salary cap. Instead, LTIR provides relief if the club's averaged club salary, or payroll, begins to exceed the upper limit.

Edit: If Tampa was exactly at the ceiling, then it would work as you say, getting full relief.

If that included the yards that DB's got off of his interceptions he'd be leading the NFL.
- gcomella34

😂

No, that's not how it works. If they had $4M in space, and then put Callahan on LTIR they'd have $1.8M over the ceiling to play with. You only get relief of the amount over the cap.
- Wetbandit1

Huh??
That doesn’t make sense

Let me put it another way
Let’s say they signed Point & that put them right at 81.5mil

Could they then put Callahan on LTIR & sign say Gardiner for 5.8mil per?

Well, well, well, well, well..... Well, well..

https://twitter.com/chris.../1156279632217464832?s=19

I'd like to protest the Johnson pick, and I'd like to protest Cole Caufields position in the lineup
- TheSabresTaco

I like the fact that their #1 and 2 Dmen are Sabres

When a player is placed on LTIR, their cap hit remains on the teams cap payroll and it continues to count as it always did. It also does not provide the club with additional cap-space savings that can be banked for future use while the team operates above the salary cap. Instead, LTIR provides relief if the club's averaged club salary, or payroll, begins to exceed the upper limit.

Edit: If Tampa was exactly at the ceiling, then it would work as you say, getting full relief.
- Wetbandit1

So then they did essentially have the option to go a full 5.8mil over the Cap...

Correct?

Huh??
That doesn’t make sense

Let me put it another way
Let’s say they signed Point & that put them right at 81.5mil

Could they then put Callahan on LTIR & sign say Gardiner for 5.8mil per?
- jdfitz77

Yes. You have to subtract your current cap space before you apply relief.

Huh??
That doesn’t make sense

Let me put it another way
Let’s say they signed Point & that put them right at 81.5mil

Could they then put Callahan on LTIR & sign say Gardiner for 5.8mil per?
- jdfitz77

As of right now they have 11.1 in space plus the 10% you can go over in the offseason.

Yes. You have to subtract your current cap space before you apply relief.
- Wetbandit1

So they could figure in that 5.8mil when signing Point

But now then can only figure in 4.5mil bc they took back Condon

When a player is placed on LTIR, their cap hit remains on the teams cap payroll and it continues to count as it always did. It also does not provide the club with additional cap-space savings that can be banked for future use while the team operates above the salary cap. Instead, LTIR provides relief if the club's averaged club salary, or payroll, begins to exceed the upper limit.

Edit: If Tampa was exactly at the ceiling, then it would work as you say, getting full relief.
- Wetbandit1

Even then, LTIR doesn't kick in until closer to the season starts. He would count against their 10% during the offseason (without relief), which Tampa is trying to avoid. It's a timing difference for sure.

Huh??
That doesn’t make sense

Let me put it another way
Let’s say they signed Point & that put them right at 81.5mil

Could they then put Callahan on LTIR & sign say Gardiner for 5.8mil per?
- jdfitz77

They would get relief on the amount they are over the 81.5, up to Callahan's 5.8 salary
If they signed Gardiner to $4m, then they only get credit for the 4.
If they signed Gardiner for 6.2 they would have to move somebody, then LTIR Cally and get credit for the overage amount only (capped again at Callys 5.8)

So they could figure in that 5.8mil when signing Point

But now then can only figure in 4.5mil bc they took back Condon
- jdfitz77

The cap is about $83 million, which means you can be at $91.3 million in salary until September ($83 x 110%). Callahan's $5.8 goes against that figure, because the LTIR figure/relief/whatever-you-want-to-call-it does not kick in until the beginning of the season.

By unloading Callahan, they have more room to work with before they get to that $91.3, which is their target (supposedly), for now.

So then they did essentially have the option to go a full 5.8mil over the Cap...

Correct?
- jdfitz77

Yes.

The cap is about $83 million, which means you can be at $91.3 million in salary until September ($83 x 110%). Callahan's $5.8 goes against that figure, because the LTIR figure/relief/whatever-you-want-to-call-it does not kick in until the beginning of the season.

By unloading Callahan, they have more room to work with before they get to that $91.3, which is their target (supposedly), for now.
- buffalofan19

No, not 83..it is in fact 81.5

Yes.
- IonSabres

and then someone gets hurt....

No, not 83..it is in fact 81.5
- IonSabres

So the target is about $89.7 (rounded).