Highly doubt we sell anything at the TDL. If anything, we probably spend our 2nd as a buyer - all excited about being a couple points to the positive side of the bubble.
- DrChristianTroy

I agree, I can't see Jim selling during a year where he has to make the playoffs.

No, what I'm saying is:


1st rounders traded for a package = rare

1st rounders traded in a package for a high level player = more common


GM's usually only part with 1sts when they feel like their the ones trading for the most valuable asset in the trade, not the other way way around.
- Nucker101

Thanks for clarifying.

Thanks for clarifying.

- boonerbuck

Best case for us to hope for would be a 2nd + prospect if he rehabs his value playing with Hughes. But I agree with DCT, JB won't be looking to sell.

I agree, I can't see Jim selling during a year where he has to make the playoffs.
- Nucker101

Only way is if they are so far out of the playoffs.

Only way is if they are so far out of the playoffs.
- VANTEL

yeah, but I don't see that being the case unless they get wrecked by injuries and/or brutal goaltending.

yeah, but I don't see that being the case unless they get wrecked by injuries and/or brutal goaltending.
- Nucker101

Yup

yeah, but I don't see that being the case unless they get wrecked by injuries and/or brutal goaltending.
- Nucker101

Good thing that their goaltending has more than 50 combined solid games in their careers, the defence doesn't rely on a few key pieces prone to injury and the forward group isn't made up from guys as familiar with the IR as they are tying their skates.

Only way is if they are so far out of the playoffs.
- VANTEL

I'd see Benning, if he's even still employed should the season go that sour, try for some kind of "desperation" trade to save things rather than sell off.

This is a Go For It* year for them and even in years where they should have been obvious sellers, from as early as December, they seemed to really want to hang on hoping they'd find a miraculous hot streak to save things.

Highly doubt we sell anything at the TDL. If anything, we probably spend our 2nd as a buyer - all excited about being a couple points to the positive side of the bubble.
- DrChristianTroy

In reality there won't be any sales for draft picks until this rebuild is declared failed and they start moving out Horvat, BB etc.

In reality there won't be any sales for draft picks until this rebuild is declared failed and they start moving out Horvat, BB etc.
- NuckUp

How long would you think it would take for them to declare it as failed? If they miss the playoffs the next 2 years, I'd say we can officially say that it's failed then. But why would they move out the core? At that point, they should blow up the supporting cast(role players, vets, coaches, front office, scouts, etc).

Horvat would be 26
Boeser would be 24
Petterson would be 22
Hughes would be 21

You could easily re-tool and build around that group under a new front office and coaching staff.

controlled zone exits/entries + quality of shots >>> corsi
- Nucker101

That is what the numerous changes to the Canucks should bring for all the players is better corsi. The cumulative effect on their team play being the difference maker. Unlike the high expectations about the Yotes bringing in Kessel.

That is what the numerous changes to the Canucks should bring for all the players is better corsi. The cumulative effect on their team play being the difference maker. Unlike the high expectations about the Yotes bringing in Kessel.
- NuckUp

Corsi is outdated and flawed, there's much better tools out there for evaluating a player's impact nowadays.

How long would you think it would take for them to declare it as failed? If they miss the playoffs the next 2 years, I'd say we can officially say that it's failed then. But why would they move out the core? At that point, they should blow up the supporting cast(role players, vets, coaches, front office).

Horvat would be 26
Boeser would be 24
Petterson would be 22
Hughes would be 21

You could easily re-tool and build around that group under a new front office and coaching staff.
- Nucker101

Just 1 year to blow up the supporting staff.

IMO, he is. New rankings (today) by Kournianos (@TheDraftAnalyst) had him 31st

The 2020 Draft is un(frank)ingreal & I’m really not looking forward to watching TB make our selection. I could have said a dozen+ names other than Stranges. Oh well, it is what it is.
- DrChristianTroy

I hear you, and while I'm not sure the Miller move was the right move for this club, the player is fantastic and the price was not at all excessive IMO. The reality was that Benning was going to make some big moves, he didn't have a choice.... all things considered ot could of worked out a lot worse.

How long would you think it would take for them to declare it as failed? If they miss the playoffs the next 2 years, I'd say we can officially say that it's failed then. But why would they move out the core? At that point, they should blow up the supporting cast(role players, vets, coaches, front office, scouts, etc).

Horvat would be 26
Boeser would be 24
Petterson would be 22
Hughes would be 21

You could easily re-tool and build around that group under a new front office and coaching staff.
- Nucker101

Their supporting cast doesn't get you 1st round draft picks. That seems to be the measuring stick of a rebuild getting 1sts. So the cost would be moving out the star players.

But sure retool route is an option. They have been doing that for years now. Maybe another GM does it better.

How long would you think it would take for them to declare it as failed? If they miss the playoffs the next 2 years, I'd say we can officially say that it's failed then. But why would they move out the core? At that point, they should blow up the supporting cast(role players, vets, coaches, front office, scouts, etc).

Horvat would be 26
Boeser would be 24
Petterson would be 22
Hughes would be 21

You could easily re-tool and build around that group under a new front office and coaching staff.
- Nucker101

How long would you think it would take for them to declare it as failed? If they miss the playoffs the next 2 years, I'd say we can officially say that it's failed then. But why would they move out the core? At that point, they should blow up the supporting cast(role players, vets, coaches, front office, scouts, etc).

Horvat would be 26
Boeser would be 24
Petterson would be 22
Hughes would be 21

You could easily re-tool and build around that group under a new front office and coaching staff.
- Nucker101

I imagine as soon as they hire a new GM, the assumption would be a failed rebuild, would you not agree?

I imagine as soon as they hire a new GM, the assumption would be a failed rebuild, would you not agree?
- belcherbd

I honestly want to know when did a rebuild begin?

Their supporting cast doesn't get you 1st round draft picks. That seems to be the measuring stick of a rebuild getting 1sts. So the cost would be moving out the star players.

But sure retool route is an option. They have been doing that for years now. Maybe another GM does it better.
- NuckUp

What are you hoping to acquire with those 1st round picks? Grade A young talent, you don't start moving that out for a chance at getting it.

Their supporting cast doesn't get you 1st round draft picks. That seems to be the measuring stick of a rebuild getting 1sts. So the cost would be moving out the star players.

But sure retool route is an option. They have been doing that for years now. Maybe another GM does it better.
- NuckUp

1)The whole point of gathering 1sts is to hopefully be able to draft talents like those guys anyway

2) Re-tooling with that core makes a hell of a lot more sense than the re-tool plan with the much older and declining core of Henrik/Daniel/Edler/Tanev/Burrows/Hamhuis

I imagine as soon as they hire a new GM, the assumption would be a failed rebuild, would you not agree?
- belcherbd

Yes

I honestly want to know when did a rebuild begin?
- VANTEL

Fair question. Most of JB's time was spent retooling around the old core while slowly adding the next generation through the draft. This season's plan is a shift to something more clear. The playoffs.

I honestly want to know when did a rebuild begin?
- VANTEL

Sedin's out, petterson in. but really it's not so simple. Rebuild implies replacing a core, that started when we got Bo

Fair question. Most of JB's time was spent retooling around the old core while slowly adding the next generation through the draft. This season's plan is a shift to something more clear. The playoffs.
- boonerbuck

I think as long as the Sedins were here they couldn't do a full rebuild so it was always retool. By the time they left that had most of the next gen in place.

I think as long as the Sedins were here they couldn't do a full rebuild so it was always retool. By the time they left that had most of the next gen in place.
- VANTEL

Clearly...