essentially. This trade screams Melnyk though.
- Codes1087

Going rate right now. Hard to figure out what GM's are thinking sometimes.

Some tend to believe that taking the Marleau contract is the going rate but that's not always true.

According to sports net 650 poll and whether fans think the Canucks will over or under the 88.5 Mark.

62% think they will finish over that.

If you are going to do it then you better start quick because everyday there is someone new popping up proclaiming to be the insight to the team.

People are catching onto their bullsh1t and calling them out more and more. You are much better off showing facts and figures like Carol does.
- VANTEL

As you state they are all Bullsh!t, opinionated drivel, Carol is a professional that is dedicated to honest fact based insight, everyone here that thinks they are anywhere close to what she produces or provides us is delusional.

Adam Gaudette will be 23 this season (Oct)

12 points in 56 games last season.

I just saw someone post that in 2 years he will be the Canucks 2LC because they are trading Horvat for Laine.

So question is now that we have seen Gaudette play? What is his potential? Was going to be the next Kesler.

Paul Fenton fired in Minnesota according to twitter

Paul Fenton fired in Minnesota according to twitter
- canuckfan069

Enter MG.

As you state they are all Bullsh!t, opinionated drivel, Carol is a professional that is dedicated to honest fact based insight, everyone here that thinks they are anywhere close to what she produces or provides us is delusional.
- Makita

well said Ref!

Enter MG.
- VanHockeyGuy

Nothing would surprise me.

Adam Gaudette will be 23 this season (Oct)

12 points in 56 games last season.

I just saw someone post that in 2 years he will be the Canucks 2LC because they are trading Horvat for Laine.

So question is now that we have seen Gaudette play? What is his potential? Was going to be the next Kesler.
- manvanfan

I always find it amusing when I see a post that he HAS to be in our lineup this year.

Roster Revelations Road to PO (lol):

Ferland EP Miller (90)

Sven Bo BB (former first line - (85)

Pearson Gaudette JV (60)

Leivo Beagle Sutter (25)
Motte Goldy sub total (260)

Edler Myers (15)

Hughes Tanev (10)

Benn Stecher (5)
Fattenburg Total (290 Goals)

Playoffs possible -

Roster Revelations Road to PO lol:

Ferland EP Miller (90)

Sven Bo BB (former first line - (85)

Pearson Gaudette JV (60)

Leivo Beagle Sutter (25)
Motte Goldy sub total (260)

Edler Myers (15)

Hughes Tanev (10)

Benn Stecher (5)
Fattenburg Total (290 Goals)

Playoffs possible -
- NuckUp

Makes sense. This team is definitely good enough to have an offence only second to Tampa Bay.

Very reasonable to project every player for a career high in goals.

Adam Gaudette will be 23 this season (Oct)

12 points in 56 games last season.

I just saw someone post that in 2 years he will be the Canucks 2LC because they are trading Horvat for Laine.

So question is now that we have seen Gaudette play? What is his potential? Was going to be the next Kesler.
- manvanfan

What what his ATOI and who were his most common line mates during his rookie NHL season?

Hint: He basically got 4th line ice time and his most common linemates were Virtanen and Granlund. What kind of numbers were you expecting from a non-bluechip rookie with that usage?

The Bo replacement talk is ridiculous but people that view him as a solid long term 3LC seem to be pretty reasonable, no?

And I’m sorry, but watching Sutter and Beagle Center their own lines isn’t going to be entertaining and it’s going to result in an over reliance on the top 6 for offense, which isn’t a great strategy in today’s NHL.

Makes sense. This team is definitely good enough to have an offence only second to Tampa Bay.

Very reasonable to project every player for a career high in goals.
- Lindenis#1

Umm.. wow!

Makes sense. This team is definitely good enough to have an offence only second to Tampa Bay.

Very reasonable to project every player for a career high in goals.
- Lindenis#1

Makes sense. This team is definitely good enough to have an offence only second to Tampa Bay.

Very reasonable to project every player for a career high in goals.
- Lindenis#1

Makes sense. This team is definitely good enough to have an offence only second to Tampa Bay.

Very reasonable to project every player for a career high in goals.
- Lindenis#1

LOL...wasn't the lol at top a hint? Only the lines were reasonable obviously everything else were dog day dreams of optimal outcomes.

Though we don't know what the ceiling of this group is given the variables. More offence could be produced by balance through out the lines and D. What can the expectation be if top players stay reasonably healthy... 10% rise?

Makes sense. This team is definitely good enough to have an offence only second to Tampa Bay.

Very reasonable to project every player for a career high in goals.
- Lindenis#1

Aim high Willis!

Aim High!

Roster Revelations Road to PO (lol):

Ferland EP Miller (90)...22..35..28 (85)

Sven Bo BB (85) 21..27..37 (85)

Pearson Gaudette JV (60) 17..11..17 (45)

Leivo Beagle Sutter (25) 9..6..13 (28)
Motte Goldy sub total (260) (243)

Edler Myers (15) (19)

Hughes Tanev (10) (12)

Benn Stecher (5) (6)
Fattenburg Total (290 Goals) (280)

Playoffs possible -
- NuckUp

Inserted my own guesstimates

LOL...wasn't the lol at top a hint? Only the lines were reasonable obviously everything else were dog day dreams of optimal outcomes.

Though we don't know what the ceiling of this group is given the variables. More offence could be produced by balance through out the lines and D. What can the expectation be if top players stay reasonably healthy... 10% rise?
- NuckUp

Natural progression only counts for so much and you'll really only see it from Petey and Hughes. I don't know how much more, relatively speaking, you can really expect from Boeser, Virtanen, Goldy and Horvat.

Will there be a net gain in offence from Myers, Miller and Ferland? Sure. But its going to come at the expense of other players offence like Virtanen, Baertschi, Leivo, Goldobin, Hutton, Edler, etc/

I wouldn't be surprised if the raw increase in offence is only like ~25 goals which would put the team at like 250 or so, which is what Vegas scored last year and that still feels relatively optimistic.

Natural progression only counts for so much and you'll really only see it from Petey and Hughes. I don't know how much more, relatively speaking, you can really expect from Boeser, Virtanen, Goldy and Horvat.

Will there be a net gain in offence from Myers, Miller and Ferland? Sure. But its going to come at the expense of other players offence like Virtanen, Baertschi, Leivo, Goldobin, Hutton, Edler, etc/

I wouldn't be surprised if the raw increase in offence is only like ~25 goals which would put the team at like 250 or so, which is what Vegas scored last year and that still feels relatively optimistic.
- Lindenis#1

This.

Adding those new players means less minutes at 5v5/PP for other players getting bumped down the lineup, you can't expect a player who was getting top 6 minutes + PP time to score at the same rate if they get bumped to 3rd line minutes and spot PP duty. That's why a lot of times contending teams end up disappointed when they acquire an okay player getting big minutes on a bad team. Mikkel Boedker is my favourite example of this.

Adding a 25 goal scorer doesn't mean you simply add his 25 goals and subtract the 7 goals from the guy you let walk in free agency, it's more complicated than that.

Not to mention that these numbers seem to be based on everyone playing 82 games which we all know is laughable, especially with the team's travel schedule.

Roster Revelations Road to PO (lol):

Ferland EP Miller (90)

Sven Bo BB (former first line - (85)

Pearson Gaudette JV (60)

Leivo Beagle Sutter (25)
Motte Goldy sub total (260)

Edler Myers (15)

Hughes Tanev (10)

Benn Stecher (5)
Fattenburg Total (290 Goals)

Playoffs possible -
- NuckUp

I think EP is good for 35-40. BB with EP won't change and he is good for 30-40. Ferland is with them and he is likely good for 20-25. So our top line has a lot of goal potential. If there are injuries that will lower possible totals.

Ferland - EP - Boeser - 85-105 goals

On our second line I think Pearson and Miller are both good for 20-25 goals and Bo is good for 25-35 goales

Pearson - Bo - Miller - 65-85 goals

Our 3rd line will have Sven good for 15-20, Sutter and JV both for about 15

Sven - Sutter - JV 45-50 goales

Our 4th line will be good for 5-10 goals each. Leivo could pot 15.

Roussell - Beagle - Leivo - 15-30 goals.

Our extras Motte and Goldy could potentially keep the paces on these lines when they take over for injuries, so let's leave them at 0 for stats.

Edler - Myers I could see easily combining for 15 goals combined.
Hughes - Tanev - 10 is possible, Tanev can usually pot 2-3 goals and I could see Hughes getting around 7. so 10 works here
Benn - Stetcher I could see both combining for 5 goals easily as well.

This puts out team totals somewhere between 240 - 300 goals(unlikely everyone hits projected max)

No different from what we do.
- Marwood

The difference is we don't make fancy web pages .

As you state they are all Bullsh!t, opinionated drivel, Carol is a professional that is dedicated to honest fact based insight, everyone here that thinks they are anywhere close to what she produces or provides us is delusional.
- Makita

Agreed.
We are extremely lucky to have Carol, blogging for us.

This.

Adding those new players means less minutes at 5v5/PP for other players getting bumped down the lineup, you can't expect a player who was getting top 6 minutes + PP time to score at the same rate if they get bumped to 3rd line minutes and spot PP duty. That's why a lot of times contending teams end up disappointed when they acquire an okay player getting big minutes on a bad team. Mikkel Boedker is my favourite example of this.

Adding a 25 goal scorer doesn't mean you simply add his 25 goals and subtract the 7 goals from the guy you let walk in free agency, it's more complicated than that.

Not to mention that these numbers seem to be based on everyone playing 82 games which we all know is laughable, especially with the team's travel schedule.
- Nucker101

Injuries, cold streaks, guys adjusting to a new team, guys adjusting to a new role, Newell Brown as your (frank)ing PP coach, etc. All stuff that can limit things.

I know so many people have 40 goal dreams for Petey and Boeser, but 40 isn't far off what 50 used to be. I think a lot of people still act like this league has 5-6 guys potting 50 year when its nearly exclusively Ovechkin who does.

35 goals would make a player a top 25 goal scorer. That would be a 7 goal bump for Petey who will progress, but also has a full year of tape and teams prepping for him more how they did in the 2nd half than the first half. I don't know if Ferland is the answer to that line either as both Petey and Brock could use a player who can open space by being a puck threat, not a mucker.

35 would be a 9 goal increase for Boeser. +7 and +9 would be huge increases.

Ferland hasn't scored 20 goals in like 2 or 3 years and the dude has injury issues. Miller had 13 goals last year and his career high 23. I don't think anyone really knows what Pearson is gonna be as he's going to have some of his time taken by Miller and Ferland as well. If those 3 combined for like 55, I'd call that a grand slam but could see them as like a 45 goal trio and thats going to have to make up for whatever reductions come from Jake, Baertschi, Leivo, Granlund and Goldobin which was 53 goals last year.

Say that comes down to 35 ish (thats still pretty high as you're really only cutting Granlund and splitting Goldy/Leivo's totals), you're only making a moderate net gain. Say an extra 12-15 from Petey and Brock, and you're at like +30 goals which is still a pretty damn big increase. Not impossible, but pretty much a ceiling they'd need a scaffolding to reach.

Now, the benefit to a lot of that is that you've added better players so you'll be on offence more often so the goals against chances are limited.

This.

Adding those new players means less minutes at 5v5/PP for other players getting bumped down the lineup, you can't expect a player who was getting top 6 minutes + PP time to score at the same rate if they get bumped to 3rd line minutes and spot PP duty. That's why a lot of times contending teams end up disappointed when they acquire an okay player getting big minutes on a bad team. Mikkel Boedker is my favourite example of this.

Adding a 25 goal scorer doesn't mean you simply add his 25 goals and subtract the 7 goals from the guy you let walk in free agency, it's more complicated than that.

Not to mention that these numbers seem to be based on everyone playing 82 games which we all know is laughable, especially with the team's travel schedule.
- Nucker101

My projections included reasonable healthy players or even better luck. The PP alone should gain about 10 goals. Better zone exits another 10 goals. Puck possession & retrieval will determine overall goals gained in the end imo. It should be much improved. So much is reliant upon health & i think we are overdue for better luck. Depth will help us but gelling will be key.