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Forums :: Blog World :: Jan Levine: Kevin Shattenkirk to be bought out now that timing of period determined
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RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Aug 1 @ 10:14 AM ET
Rangers have serious cap issues for a team with such a bright future
Fenrir
New York Rangers
Location: Jesus saves! Satan picks up the rebound...AND SCORES!!, NJ
Joined: 04.02.2015

Aug 1 @ 10:14 AM ET
Capologist.....I like it. But Shatts seriously is not tradable??? Even retaining 1.7M. The guy is one season removed from multiple 0.5ppg seasons, and at 4.95M he is still unmovable? That second year cap hit of 6M is just horrible! Personally, I would retain 50% and trade him if I had too.
- bikeguy99

Golly, I wish Jeff Gorton had tried to go that route first.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Aug 1 @ 10:15 AM ET
Rangers have serious cap issues for a team with such a bright future
- RogerRoeper


they added two significant pieces this summer for an almost combined 20 million per season
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Aug 1 @ 10:15 AM ET
Golly, I wish Jeff Gorton had tried to go that route first.
- Fenrir


2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Aug 1 @ 10:19 AM ET
Rangers have serious cap issues for a team with such a bright future
- RogerRoeper


It's really just a 1 season thing. After 20-21 we will have loads of cap space. After the nightmare dead cap season, Shatty's dead cap declines to like 1 million.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Aug 1 @ 10:23 AM ET
Rangers are fairly notorious for bridge deals if he plays well sign him to a certain amount with the knowledge he will be getting a better deal as long as he plays at the same level
- blueshirts_fan


You really can't bridge Strome because he would be a UFA after that. I think he's a UFA even if you only extended him 1 year. So your choices are (assuming you don't deadline deal him), sign him to a long term extension. He'd be about 33ish by the time that's over. Or you have to trade his rights.

The only sort of bridge I could see the team doing is if you only gave him 4 years or something. However, if you were that sure you wanted him around long term, you might as well give him a couple extra more.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Aug 1 @ 10:30 AM ET
Please see Weber, Shea
- blueshirts_fan


Halfway done with only 7 more years to go!

At least it was front loaded as (frank).
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Aug 1 @ 10:30 AM ET
There's currently 30+ buyouts league wide, but yup it's only an NYR problem


https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-history

- rrentz


True. People ink bad contracts. If the devs are were near the ceiling, there would be discussion of a buyout. The only thing that is a bit of a joke in Rangerland, is the fact that the past couple blogs have been like drawing straws. "We buying out Shatts, Smith, or Staal?", and "which one goes to the AHL?". It is just nuts, as that is 16.7M in bad contracts, yet you go out and add two more massive long-term deals. Great players, just odd timing given this teams contract situation.
blueshirts_fan
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 01.28.2012

Aug 1 @ 10:33 AM ET
Halfway done with only 7 more years to go!

At least it was front loaded as (frank).

- Queenie_5_hole


He does what Luango did and the preds are pretty screwed
KreiderBomb
New York Rangers
Location: "I'm outta here. Childish,fraud fans. Good luck not having any youth coming up for like 10 years, yo
Joined: 06.02.2014

Aug 1 @ 10:33 AM ET
somebody in the last blog at the end said because of the dead case space next season, "that means Kreider is as good as gone"

I don't understand why...

if Shattenkirk wasn't bought out, he's a 6.5 million cap hit

if he's bought out, he's a 6.083 mil cap hit

there's no difference, it quite literally has nothing to do with whether or not Kreider is signed to an extension.

Nothing changes.

- jimbro83

It’s about the cap space, should have done all you could to trade Namestnikov who’s not gonna be here next season anyway and save that $4 mil and buy out Smith at a much lesser rate
Brukie
New York Rangers
Location: Putnam, NY
Joined: 06.14.2011

Aug 1 @ 10:36 AM ET
True. People ink bad contracts. If the devs are were near the ceiling, there would be discussion of a buyout. The only thing that is a bit of a joke in Rangerland, is the fact that the past couple blogs have been like drawing straws. "We buying out Shatts, Smith, or Staal?", and "which one goes to the AHL?". It is just nuts, as that is 16.7M in bad contracts, yet you go out and add two more massive long-term deals. Great players, just odd timing given this teams contract situation.
- bikeguy99


Cant blame JG for the Staal contract but the Shatty and Smith contracts arent 3 years old yet. Shatty was brought in with the hope of the Rangers making a last run for the Cup but the Smith deal I dont know what JG was thinking.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Aug 1 @ 10:37 AM ET
It’s about the cap space, should have done all you could to trade Namestnikov who’s not gonna be here next season anyway and save that $4 mil and buy out Smith at a much lesser rate
- KreiderBomb


We have no reason to think they didn't though. We were up against a deadline, teams knew this. Why would they help us out? They knew they could wait and possible guy Names, Smith, or Shatty for free at possibly the league minimum or close. I might disagree that they chose, Shatty, but I can't just sit here and say that we should have traded these guys, when I'm positive that avenue was explored.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Aug 1 @ 10:39 AM ET
It’s about the cap space, should have done all you could to trade Namestnikov who’s not gonna be here next season anyway and save that $4 mil and buy out Smith at a much lesser rate
- KreiderBomb


I think if they could have done it, they would have

think about it from another team's perspective, would you want to trade for Namestiknov and his 4 million?
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Aug 1 @ 10:39 AM ET
Cant blame JG for the Staal contract but the Shatty and Smith contracts arent 3 years old yet. Shatty was brought in with the hope of the Rangers making a last run for the Cup but the Smith deal I dont know what JG was thinking.
- Brukie


Smith had a solid playoffs before that and was hoping that would continue. The entire fanbase thought the Smith-Skjei pairing was a revelation at first. Looking back, there were some red flags that should have been heeded, but I don't think the Smith contract came completely out of left field. It was a 4 year contract, I don't think anyone thought he would be an albatross from training camp of year 1.
KreiderBomb
New York Rangers
Location: "I'm outta here. Childish,fraud fans. Good luck not having any youth coming up for like 10 years, yo
Joined: 06.02.2014

Aug 1 @ 10:39 AM ET
Hank and Staal come off after the books year after next so long term they still are looking good but I’d hate for them to be hog tied when it comes to Kreider next summer
KreiderBomb
New York Rangers
Location: "I'm outta here. Childish,fraud fans. Good luck not having any youth coming up for like 10 years, yo
Joined: 06.02.2014

Aug 1 @ 10:40 AM ET
I think if they could have done it, they would have

think about it from another team's perspective, would you want to trade for Namestiknov and his 4 million?

- jimbro83

Ottawa trades for Cally, I’m sure we could have found a home for a 1 year contract without having to entice the other team
KreiderBomb
New York Rangers
Location: "I'm outta here. Childish,fraud fans. Good luck not having any youth coming up for like 10 years, yo
Joined: 06.02.2014

Aug 1 @ 10:41 AM ET
We have no reason to think they didn't though. We were up against a deadline, teams knew this. Why would they help us out? They knew they could wait and possible guy Names, Smith, or Shatty for free at possibly the league minimum or close. I might disagree that they chose, Shatty, but I can't just sit here and say that we should have traded these guys, when I'm positive that avenue was explored.
- 2sticks1puck

The Callahan trade is what frustrated me in what we ended up doing
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Aug 1 @ 10:42 AM ET
Ottawa trades for Cally, I’m sure we could have found a home for a 1 year contract without having to entice the other team
- KreiderBomb


but Ottawa doesn't have to pay any of that money, it's covered by insurance
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Aug 1 @ 10:43 AM ET
Cant blame JG for the Staal contract but the Shatty and Smith contracts arent 3 years old yet. Shatty was brought in with the hope of the Rangers making a last run for the Cup but the Smith deal I dont know what JG was thinking.
- Brukie


Smith was all about his playoff series against the Habs where he was a beast. Unfortunately that didn't translate into his regular playing style
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Aug 1 @ 10:43 AM ET
The Callahan trade is what frustrated me in what we ended up doing
- KreiderBomb


The Callahan trade to me is 0% related. Ottawa needs to get to the cap floor and because he has possibly a career ending injury, Ottawa is just going to bank insurance money. They are basically spending 0 extra to get extra cap to meet the floor. It's kind of nuts that Ottawa and the Yotes can keep trading for players for this purpose.
Brukie
New York Rangers
Location: Putnam, NY
Joined: 06.14.2011

Aug 1 @ 10:45 AM ET
It’s about the cap space, should have done all you could to trade Namestnikov who’s not gonna be here next season anyway and save that $4 mil and buy out Smith at a much lesser rate
- KreiderBomb



I cant see JG not trying to trade any of the fore mentioned players but to think nobody wanted a warm body is hard to believe with 50 percent retention. David Clarkson hasnt played in 4 yrs but was traded again.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Aug 1 @ 10:46 AM ET
Hank and Staal come off after the books year after next so long term they still are looking good but I’d hate for them to be hog tied when it comes to Kreider next summer
- KreiderBomb

jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Aug 1 @ 10:47 AM ET
I cant see JG not trying to trade any of the fore mentioned players but to think nobody wanted a warm body is hard to believe with 50 percent retention. David Clarkson hasnt played in 4 yrs but was traded again.
- Brukie


what's funny to me is that every great move we have made this summer people have been like THANK YOU JD!!!

one controversial move is made and it's all Gorton
blueshirts_fan
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 01.28.2012

Aug 1 @ 10:49 AM ET
The Callahan trade is what frustrated me in what we ended up doing
- KreiderBomb


Ottawa is only paying a small portion of it, insurance is covering the rest, the owner is super cheap so it was beneficial
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Aug 1 @ 10:51 AM ET
Ottawa is only paying a small portion of it, insurance is covering the rest, the owner is super cheap so it was beneficial
- blueshirts_fan


yeah, it's not a comparable deal, none of the trades where LTIR players have been traded have any similarity to the players we have or the situation we were in
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