Puljujarvi, Russell, Jones and Bear for Athanasiou, Valtteri and Rasmussen.
- RafiDRW

Hmmm... 🤔

Deal.

Link?
- Wildschwein

https://thehockeywriters....nhl-rumors-august-3-2019/

The local internet tough guy (Makita) will probably ban me again for sending that.

A couple days ago he banned me for asking what I did after he made a bunch of bullpoop false accusations.

James Tanner might be a sensationalist troll but at least he isn’t a lying craven internet tough guy (frank)ing coward.

Link?
- Wildschwein

This in from Finnish hockey observer Jouni Nieminen, his translation of what Jesse Puljujarvi has said to the Finnish newspaper Kaleva: “Jesse Puljujärvi tonight to Kaleva Newspaper at a charity game in Oulu: ‘I want a new start with some other team. Playing in North America is still my goal.” “I will stay on Oulu until I have a contract. I will find a place to play somewhere.’

https://www.google.ca/amp...-with-some-other-team/amp

The link if you want to read the whole thing.....let him play in Europe and possibly increase his trade value....we owe him nothing and own his NHL rights

https://thehockeywriters....nhl-rumors-august-3-2019/

The local internet tough guy (Makita) will probably ban me again for sending that.

A couple days ago he banned me for asking what I did after he made a bunch of bullpoop false accusations.

James Tanner might be a sensationalist troll but at least he isn’t a lying craven internet tough guy (frank)ing coward.
- RonPielep

Sooo...

Instead of working his ass off and maybe getting a chance to play wing to the best player in the world, he’d rather stay in Finland and pout?

(frank). Him.

Or trade him to Ottawa. Pretty much the same thing.

This in from Finnish hockey observer Jouni Nieminen, his translation of what Jesse Puljujarvi has said to the Finnish newspaper Kaleva: “Jesse Puljujärvi tonight to Kaleva Newspaper at a charity game in Oulu: ‘I want a new start with some other team. Playing in North America is still my goal.” “I will stay on Oulu until I have a contract. I will find a place to play somewhere.’

https://www.google.ca/amp...-with-some-other-team/amp

The link if you want to read the whole thing.....let him play in Europe and possibly increase his trade value....we owe him nothing and own his NHL rights
- RatedR80

Dude is such a (frank)ing putz. I mean yeah, I get it Jesse. You’ve been mismanaged. But how in the (frank) is this pouting fit gonna help him long term?

Sooo...

Instead of working his ass off and maybe getting a chance to play wing to the best player in the world, he’d rather stay in Finland and pout?

(frank). Him.

Or trade him to Ottawa. Pretty much the same thing.
- Wildschwein

He can stay there and pout....I’m in no rush to trade him unless it makes sense and Holland doesn’t seem to be too concerned about it either....he really does need to fire his agent and get someone that knows how to handle situations like this.....6 months ago the fans were sympathetic towards JP and now it’s done a complete 180....Holland looks strong and JP looks like an entitled brat.....not good at all

https://thehockeywriters....nhl-rumors-august-3-2019/

The local internet tough guy (Makita) will probably ban me again for sending that.

A couple days ago he banned me for asking what I did after he made a bunch of bullpoop false accusations.

James Tanner might be a sensationalist troll but at least he isn’t a lying craven internet tough guy (frank)ing coward.
- RonPielep

At least he didn’t delete my account.

Dude is such a (frank)ing putz. I mean yeah, I get it Jesse. You’ve been mismanaged. But how in the (frank) is this pouting fit gonna help him long term?
- Wildschwein

It has to be a locker room thing.....old GM and coach are out and have been replaced and yet he still wants to go

At least he didn’t delete my account.
- RafiDRW

But he did delete his cowardly threat to you that started the whole poopshow.

At least he didn’t delete my account.
- RafiDRW

My post to get banned was hilariously benign.

I asked how I was piling on. Told him to keep his false accusations to himself. Said his threats/behaviour was worse than yours. And told him to moderate himself.

God I didn’t realize how dumb JP was until this summer. He is more of an entitled PoS than Drouin was at that age.

At this point I don’t want to trade him for peanuts. I’d rather hold his rights until his late 20s and (frank) his entire career over. Blackball this poophead brat from the league.

The Oil should make an example out of this entitled man-child for their future prospects. Let those ELC children realize they don’t have the NHL leverage that they think they do. High end entitled ELCs don’t get to choose their own development plan, they don’t get to demand top 6 minutes, they don’t get to demand trades and they can take their AHL assignments with a smile or they can eat poop and die.
- RonPielep

I don't take issue with him wanting a fresh start. It seems entirely reasonable to suggest that he doesn't seem to "fit in" in the locker room and his development hasn't been handled well. Looking at it from his perspective, I imagine he sees this as a decision between a multi-million dollar professional career in North America (a trade elsewhere) VS a career in lesser pro leagues (continuing in Edmonton). That's not to say that's definitely what would happen but, if we're looking at track records, Edmonton doesn't have a strong one.

I take some issue with the regular media attention he and his agent have drawn to the matter, but that'll only elongate the process for him.

I don't take issue with him wanting a fresh start. It seems entirely reasonable to suggest that he doesn't seem to "fit in" in the locker room and his development hasn't been handled well. Looking at it from his perspective, I imagine he sees this as a decision between a multi-million dollar professional career in North America (a trade elsewhere) VS a career in lesser pro leagues (continuing in Edmonton). That's not to say that's definitely what would happen but, if we're looking at track records, Edmonton doesn't have a strong one.

I take some issue with the regular media attention he and his agent have drawn to the matter, but that'll only elongate the process for him.
- MaximumBone

I’m starting to understand that Puljujarvi wasn’t mismanaged at all. He got exactly the type of treatment he asked for, was gifted an NHL spot straight away, didn’t live up to his billing and now he wants to blame the team while taking zero accountability. He is basically an overgrown child who blames everyone else for his failures. The Oil owe him nothing and should do him zero favours. He can play for a different team in the NHL when he is 28.

Looking at it from his perspective is like stepping into the shoes of a teenage narcissist who thinks they have the world figured out and blames everyone else for their problems. Puljujarvi is starting to look like he has the personality of a pet rock. If I were another GM I wouldn’t trade a second rounder for that type of malignant cancer.

I’m starting to understand that Puljujarvi wasn’t mismanaged at all. He got exactly the type of treatment he asked for, was gifted an NHL spot straight away, didn’t live up to his billing and now he wants to blame the team while taking zero accountability. He is basically an overgrown child who blames everyone else for his failures. The Oil owe him nothing and should do him zero favours. He can play for a different team in the NHL when he is 28.

Looking at it from his perspective is like stepping into the shoes of a teenage narcissist who thinks they have the world figured out and blames everyone else for their problems. Puljujarvi is starting to look like he has the personality of a pet rock. If I were another GM I wouldn’t trade a second rounder for that type of malignant cancer.
- RonPielep

And yet not looking at it from his perspective ignores the myriad reasons a player would have for acting in such a way.

If it's his performance that's the issue, then there are cogent arguments you can make that he got a raw deal. I've read enough rumblings about how either Draisaitl or McDavid (or both) didn't want to play with Puljujarvi on their line(s) to be believe it has at least a grain of truth to it. While that seems to be understandable for Drai based on results, it doesn't really for McDavid. Stats comparisons for them are as follows:

Stat___ w/ Drai___ w/ Pulj

ShF%__ 52.75%__ 55.06% (+)
ShF/60_ 62.45____ 70.48 (+)

SCF%__ 53.08%__ 57.50% (+)
SCF/60_ 3.27_____ 3.24 (-)
HDCF%_ 54.26%__ 57.51% (+)
HDCF/60 14.48____ 16.33 (+)

GF%___ 57.59%__ 61.54% (+)
GF/60__ 3.91_____ 3.53 (-)
GA/60__ 2.88_____ 2.21 (+)
HDGF%_ 54.33%__ 58.62% (+)
HDGF/60 2.09_____ 2.5 (+)
HDGA/60 1.76_____ 1.77 (-)

While there's numerous other factors that influence this (McDuo played harder minutes; McPul was anchored with Lucic), the overall picture shows a player who was effective in his time with McDavid. Effective enough to mostly replicate the results of the McDuo, in fact. It's fair to say he needs to earn it by doing the same with another C on a separate line, but is it fair to say he got the chance to do that?

And here's where the development side kicks in- I think it's equal parts, but will address that in another post.

I’m starting to understand that Puljujarvi wasn’t mismanaged at all. He got exactly the type of treatment he asked for, was gifted an NHL spot straight away, didn’t live up to his billing and now he wants to blame the team while taking zero accountability. He is basically an overgrown child who blames everyone else for his failures. The Oil owe him nothing and should do him zero favours. He can play for a different team in the NHL when he is 28.

Looking at it from his perspective is like stepping into the shoes of a teenage narcissist who thinks they have the world figured out and blames everyone else for their problems. Puljujarvi is starting to look like he has the personality of a pet rock. If I were another GM I wouldn’t trade a second rounder for that type of malignant cancer.
- RonPielep

Puljujarvi (or his agent) seemingly demanding and an 18yr old rookie season is supported by the particulars of his 39 games on the roster in 2016-17 and therefore is a strike against his side.

Edmonton's subsequent Richarding around of his minutes and deployment in 2017-18 supports the case against the team.

This past season was a mixed bag. Maybe he didn't come prepared and maybe he was hindered by his hip issue. On the other hand, maybe it was the team's poor deployment strategies, the fact that his best C partner (Strome) was traded for nothing or perhaps it was Hitchcock demanding he get Puljujarvi in the NHL and then proceeding to do nothing with him. Kinda strikes against both here, but it's clear to me that I need to support my claim about poor deployment strategies.

As his results haven't been all that bad (save for this past year), I believe the main thing I need to show is why his offensive numbers were so low. In his 3 years in the league, his most common linemate was Milan Lucic (699 min)- the guy we ALL admit drags even McDavid's offense down. That's the same guy who was playing with Strome before he was traded for not producing. Any disappointment in his offensive production ought to be neutralized a whole lot by that fact.

Looking at it from his perspective is like stepping into the shoes of a teenage narcissist who thinks they have the world figured out and blames everyone else for their problems. Puljujarvi is starting to look like he has the personality of a pet rock. If I were another GM I wouldn’t trade a second rounder for that type of malignant cancer.
- RonPielep

And looking at it from the perspective of the Oilers is like stepping into the shoes of a pathetically managed corporate body that has a long history of treating it's employees poorly and seems to have no idea how to maximize the performance of said employees- and thereby their company- due to an uncreative, maladaptive and backwards-thinking approach to management.

If I were another GM, I would look at the situation and consider that both perspectives within the situation are likely heavily skewed and flawed.

Spitballin...

Stecher/Virtanen/Eriksson
for
Puljujarvi/2nd/Russell

Affordable mobile RHD for a plug
Swap of 1st rounders
New scenery for LE to help defensive play

Reasonable trade imo helping out the depth while Holland makes his mark over the next few years.

Spitballin...

Stecher/Virtanen/Eriksson
for
Puljujarvi/2nd/Russell

Affordable mobile RHD for a plug
Swap of 1st rounders
New scenery for LE to help defensive play

Reasonable trade imo helping out the depth while Holland makes his mark over the next few years.
- Nighthawk

Cap doesn't work and no to Eriksson. We got out of Lucic and it only costed us a conditional 3rd. Definitely interested in Stecher, but can't justify taking on Eriksson under any circumstance.

And yet not looking at it from his perspective ignores the myriad reasons a player would have for acting in such a way.

If it's his performance that's the issue, then there are cogent arguments you can make that he got a raw deal. I've read enough rumblings about how either Draisaitl or McDavid (or both) didn't want to play with Puljujarvi on their line(s) to be believe it has at least a grain of truth to it. While that seems to be understandable for Drai based on results, it doesn't really for McDavid. Stats comparisons for them are as follows:

Stat___ w/ Drai___ w/ Pulj

ShF%__ 52.75%__ 55.06% (+)
ShF/60_ 62.45____ 70.48 (+)

SCF%__ 53.08%__ 57.50% (+)
SCF/60_ 3.27_____ 3.24 (-)
HDCF%_ 54.26%__ 57.51% (+)
HDCF/60 14.48____ 16.33 (+)

GF%___ 57.59%__ 61.54% (+)
GF/60__ 3.91_____ 3.53 (-)
GA/60__ 2.88_____ 2.21 (+)
HDGF%_ 54.33%__ 58.62% (+)
HDGF/60 2.09_____ 2.5 (+)
HDGA/60 1.76_____ 1.77 (-)

While there's numerous other factors that influence this (McDuo played harder minutes; McPul was anchored with Lucic), the overall picture shows a player who was effective in his time with McDavid. Effective enough to mostly replicate the results of the McDuo, in fact. It's fair to say he needs to earn it by doing the same with another C on a separate line, but is it fair to say he got the chance to do that?

And here's where the development side kicks in- I think it's equal parts, but will address that in another post.
- MaximumBone

Jesse needs to prove he is a well above replacement NHL caliber player before he starts female doging about his deployment/minutes/linemates/assignments.

His draft pedigree might earn him high expectations but it awards him zero leverage/clout in the NHL.

Until he proves he is anything but a complete bust he should quit acting like an entitled child and take whatever assignments (whether it is AHL or bottom 6) with a (frank)ing smile on his face and stfu about his demands. It’s a team sport, the Oil own his rights, he hasn’t proven jack poop in this league, so I don’t really give a (frank) about his perspective or what’s best for him. Until he shows he belongs in this league maybe he should focus on helping his team win first and foremost. It’s not Oil managements job to make sure JP has a lucrative career and it shouldn’t be their top priority either.

Cap doesn't work and no to Eriksson. We got out of Lucic and it only costed us a conditional 3rd. Definitely interested in Stecher, but can't justify taking on Eriksson under any circumstance.
- MaximumBone

Trade off is an extra year for Eriksson vs Russell. The e-draft he can be exposed. He could easily find more scoring with a change of scenery & his D is very solid & can PK & a good 3rd wheel potential on a team lacking all of that. Russell is a black hole who is more than expendable.

Lucic has proven a lot more in this league than JP and even Lucic doesn’t get to (frank)ing choose who his linemates are.

The idea that an ELC player should be upset about who he has as linemates or whether he is asked to play in the AHL is completely (frank)ing asinine nonsense.

Nobody should give a (frank) who he wants as linemates or what league he wants to play in until he helps contribute to a team winning. He has to earn the right to make those demands and he hasn’t, simple as that.

My trade offer would need some cap juggling yes. That’s the next step lol

Puljujarvi (or his agent) seemingly demanding and an 18yr old rookie season is supported by the particulars of his 39 games on the roster in 2016-17 and therefore is a strike against his side.

Edmonton's subsequent Richarding around of his minutes and deployment in 2017-18 supports the case against the team.

This past season was a mixed bag. Maybe he didn't come prepared and maybe he was hindered by his hip issue. On the other hand, maybe it was the team's poor deployment strategies, the fact that his best C partner (Strome) was traded for nothing or perhaps it was Hitchcock demanding he get Puljujarvi in the NHL and then proceeding to do nothing with him. Kinda strikes against both here, but it's clear to me that I need to support my claim about poor deployment strategies.

As his results haven't been all that bad (save for this past year), I believe the main thing I need to show is why his offensive numbers were so low. In his 3 years in the league, his most common linemate was Milan Lucic (699 min)- the guy we ALL admit drags even McDavid's offense down. That's the same guy who was playing with Strome before he was traded for not producing. Any disappointment in his offensive production ought to be neutralized a whole lot by that fact.
- MaximumBone

I don’t care whether his best C partner is a career AHLer. In what kind of backwards world does an ELC player who hasn’t proven anything think they are entitled to make demands about the league or linemates they are assigned. They stfu and take their assignments until they prove they have enough value to leverage something better as a UFA.

And looking at it from the perspective of the Oilers is like stepping into the shoes of a pathetically managed corporate body that has a long history of treating it's employees poorly and seems to have no idea how to maximize the performance of said employees- and thereby their company- due to an uncreative, maladaptive and backwards-thinking approach to management.

If I were another GM, I would look at the situation and consider that both perspectives within the situation are likely heavily skewed and flawed.
- MaximumBone

I don’t really care if a bunch of monkeys run the Oilers. Those monkeys pay Jesse’s salary, they drafted him and they own his rights for the foreseeable future. Until JP proves he is worth more than a bag of (frank)ing pucks it’s not his role to question management as a (frank)ing ELC player. He can either make it count on the ice to gain some leverage and earn his spot in the top 6 or he can STFU and move on as a UFA. What he is doing now is just lowering his value and (frank)ing the Oil over further while sewering his own reputation as an entitled clown who expects top 6 McDavid minutes to be handed to him on a silver spoon.

Jesse needs to prove he is a well above replacement NHL caliber player before he starts female doging about his deployment/minutes/linemates/assignments.

His draft pedigree might earn him high expectations but it awards him zero leverage/clout in the NHL.

Until he proves he is anything but a complete bust he should quit acting like an entitled child and take whatever assignments (whether it is AHL or bottom 6) with a (frank)ing smile on his face and stfu about his demands. It’s a team sport, the Oil own his rights, he hasn’t proven jack poop in this league, so I don’t really give a (frank) about his perspective or what’s best for him. Until he shows he belongs in this league maybe he should focus on helping his team win first and foremost. It’s not Oil managements job to make sure JP has a lucrative career and it shouldn’t be their top priority either.
- RonPielep

But the priority for them should be to win and I showed Puljujarvi can contribute to that in his numbers w/ McDavid. If his results with McDavid are comparable to Drai's results with McDavid and the 2nd line's results with Drai available for use there, wouldn't it behoove them to try to make a Drai/Nuge duo work? Two lines that outscore the opposition is precisely what we've been hoping for since forever, right? If they can craft two lines that outscore, they're miles closer to winning regularly which should be their primary goal.

Further, putting him in that position gives him the kind of offensive production that would make him a valuable trade asset that we could move out for something else that we need. The NHL is after all a value game. How much on-ice value can a player provide and how can that value be most effectively exploited to help the team win?

The doctrine of "prove it further down the lineup before getting a spot higher up" only holds true if you maintain that standard consistently. After his disastrous rookie year, Draisaitl went down the AHL for 4 games and then stepped right into the 2nd line spot with Hall. Sure, the team was desperate for Cs, but any more desperate than they are for wingers now?

Rattie proved nothing further down the lineup and got gifted a spot immediately upon his callup. Caggiula only proved his ability to get woefully outscored down the lineup but still played more minutes with McDavid last year. Yamamoto couldn't produce a lick of offense and yet even HE saw more time with McDavid last year.

Trade off is an extra year for Eriksson vs Russell. The e-draft he can be exposed. He could easily find more scoring with a change of scenery & his D is very solid & can PK & a good 3rd wheel potential on a team lacking all of that. Russell is a black hole who is more than expendable.
- Nighthawk

And the 2mil extra on Eriksson's contract. And Russell is much less of a blackhole than he's made out to be. Still a burden cap-wise and someone that doesn't fit into the future of this team, but he's not Cody Ceci.