That was actually just intended as a bit of a reference to a Daniel Tosh bit in one of his stand-up shows where he uses Tulsa as the butt of the joke. Nothing meant by it other than that, but I can see how it could be taken as such. My bad.
- MaximumBone

Totally lost on me.

I hearya but it is only a start to change the culture. Something is needed.
- Nighthawk

Yes. DeKeyser for Russell and PJ is a great start for culture.

That was actually just intended as a bit of a reference to a Daniel Tosh bit in one of his stand-up shows where he uses Tulsa as the butt of the joke. Nothing meant by it other than that, but I can see how it could be taken as such. My bad.
- MaximumBone

Tosh.

Was JP playing with Drai and McDavid? The problem I have with that analysis is that it doesn’t isolate the confounding variables of McDs line-mates which I believe you acknowledge.

Nevertheless, the most this type of analysis might provide is solid justification why JP should be tried on the McD line for an extended period. Although you don’t compare his stats with Kassian who is the current and most relevant option.

Regardless, with his own entitled stupid behaviour JP has essentially eliminated any motivation the Oil might have for pairing him with McD.

Also, you can show me limited sample-size possession stats all day long but the reality is JP doesn’t have a strong raw stat line in his brief NHL career and he hasn’t produced anywhere near a top 6 winger (not even close to sniffing 20G/40P) so he should feel like a (frank)ing moron for demanding a trade if he isn’t being used as a top 6 nhl forward. Not to mention he is coming off an ELC and he should have probably spent the last 2 years in (frank)ing Tulsa even if it is below his inflated ego.
- RonPielep

His TOI with McDavid was almost exclusively "featuring" Lucic on the LW.

His production the year prior where he posted 20P in 65GP was enough to be at least in consideration for a spot higher up. Scoring-wise, he was only behind Nuge, Lucic and Khaira (if you count him as a winger) after Maroon was traded and Cammalleri faded into oblivion. In fairness to Todd, he was given the chance in preseason, but it seems like his reported injury held him up a tad and he never got off the starting block after that.

The crux of my point is that I can't agree with the kind of absolute language you use to condemn Puljujarvi. I can absolutely agree with what you're saying to some degree; it's just that you go further with the condemnation than I would knowing what I know about this organization.

Tosh.
- RafiDRW

One of the best So good that he doesn't even need to talk to the press to build hype for his next release!

Yes. DeKeyser for Russell and PJ is a great start for culture.
- RafiDRW

The Wings owe us for taking Holland not the other way around

It’s not just you.....I have referred to Puju as an entitled brat because he is acting like one just as I’m saying he hasn’t done everything in his power to become a better player.....the very first sign should have been the draft when his country man passed him up.....that should have told a story but the majority of us ignored that because Puju fell to us
- RatedR80

As soon as JP/agent’s comments went public I did a complete 180 on him and turned totally sour. I have no problem admitting that.

When they drafted him I was stoked. Even up until this summer I was higher on his value to the team than most. I thought everyone was too early to write him off and that he was mismanaged. I still believe that partially but now my evaluation of his character has plummeted drastically. I’d trade him for a 2nd at this point but I’d personally rather see them let him rot in Europe because I’m currently in a vengeful bastard type of mood.

It’s not just you.....I have referred to Puju as an entitled brat because he is acting like one just as I’m saying he hasn’t done everything in his power to become a better player.....the very first sign should have been the draft when his country man passed him up.....that should have told a story but the majority of us ignored that because Puju fell to us
- RatedR80

I agree that it should've been a red flag that Jarmo passed on him, but not for the reason that he's entitled or immature. I think Jarmo was more easily able to parse what I believe is the actual problem with Jesse: I think he's dumber than your average person (strictly speculation) and is bit of an odd duck.

Neither are common traits in the modern NHL's collection of stars and Jarmo, being a natural Finnish speaker, could more easily understand the finer nuances of Jesse's personality and the related issues. I would be surprised if Edmonton had any natural Finnish speakers in the room aside from Jesse's translator.

Tell that to the string of morons who have run this team....the McDavid draft should have been the beginning of a new era and not the same old
- RatedR80

Yes we all know all too well about mismanagement. Time to look ahead & get real & build up the pipeline & get the roster much better. Little by little & patience needed.

Yes. DeKeyser for Russell and PJ is a great start for culture.
- RafiDRW

Hard pass lol

As soon as JP/agent’s comments went public I did a complete 180 on him and turned totally sour. I have no problem admitting that.

When they drafted him I was stoked. Even up until this summer I was higher on his value to the team than most. I thought everyone was too early to write him off and that he was mismanaged. I still believe that partially but now my evaluation of his character has plummeted drastically. I’d trade him for a 2nd at this point but I’d personally rather see them let him rot in Europe because I’m currently in a vengeful bastard type of mood.
- RonPielep

This makes the point I made earlier....I said 6 months ago the majority of this fanbase was wanting to keep Puju and for the Oilers yo make it work.....he still had a bunch of support at that time even tho he wasn’t playing like a #4 draft pick......fast forward 6 months and now Holland looks like the strong one in this while the majority have turned against Puju.....there are right and wrong ways to go about this and him and his agent have done it all wrong

One of the best So good that he doesn't even need to talk to the press to build hype for his next release!
- MaximumBone

I miss have Comedy Central. PlayStation Vue doesn’t carry it and I can’t get Tosh.0. Been that way for three years now. It truly was my favorite show. I catch his stand up when I can.

The Wings owe us for taking Holland not the other way around
- RatedR80

You owe us for taking Holland before his contract was up. Three first round picks as compensation please.

Tell that to the string of morons who have run this team....the McDavid draft should have been the beginning of a new era and not the same old
- RatedR80

Imagine pulling out of that draft with McDavid, Hamilton, Talbot, Jones and Bear. We could've kept Hall and maybe even have kept Schultz. We would've actually had a viable D corps and our top-6 would be among the best in the league We also would've been in a different draft position so this whole Jesse debacle would be avoided.

Tkachuk- McD- Drai
Hall- Nuge- Eberle

Hard pass lol
- Nighthawk

Give us Stecher

I agree that it should've been a red flag that Jarmo passed on him, but not for the reason that he's entitled or immature. I think Jarmo was more easily able to parse what I believe is the actual problem with Jesse: I think he's dumber than your average person (strictly speculation) and is bit of an odd duck.

Neither are common traits in the modern NHL's collection of stars and Jarmo, being a natural Finnish speaker, could more easily understand the finer nuances of Jesse's personality and the related issues. I would be surprised if Edmonton had any natural Finnish speakers in the room aside from Jesse's translator.
- MaximumBone

I don’t believe that he was passed up because he was entitled I just think Jarmo did all of his homework and seen enough flaws with Puju to pass on him and now there is not one person laughing at him like they were at the draft.....this is just another in a long line of examples that have people saying “this is such an Oilers move”.....the phrase is justified

Yes we all know all too well about mismanagement. Time to look ahead & get real & build up the pipeline & get the roster much better. Little by little & patience needed.
- Nighthawk

Our rebuild has been 14 years already

You owe us for taking Holland before his contract was up. Three first round picks as compensation please.
- RafiDRW

Ok but they will be the 2678 2679 and 2680 1st rounders

I don’t believe that he was passed up because he was entitled I just think Jarmo did all of his homework and seen enough flaws with Puju to pass on him and now there is not one person laughing at him like they were at the draft.....this is just another in a long line of examples that have people saying “this is such an Oilers move”.....the phrase is justified
- RatedR80

Agreed. Just further evidence that the Oilers are behind in virtually every way. Maybe Holland can come in and fix that, but it remains to be seen. Even if two of his Cup wins aren't valid because "no salary cap", I'll at least give him credit for hiring all the excellent people to have come out of his organization over the past two decades.

Seems like he nurtured an environment where at least some degree of excellence could develop.

Our rebuild has been 14 years already
- RatedR80

That’s sad! Pitiful actually!

Imagine pulling out of that draft with McDavid, Hamilton, Talbot, Jones and Bear. We could've kept Hall and maybe even have kept Schultz. We would've actually had a viable D corps and our top-6 would be among the best in the league We also would've been in a different draft position so this whole Jesse debacle would be avoided.

Tkachuk- McD- Drai
Hall- Nuge- Eberle
- MaximumBone

I think doing nothing after making the playoffs instead of making actual improvements were also a pretty big downfall

Give us Stecher
- MaximumBone

Three way trade:

Detroit: Stecher, Yamamoto

Edmonton: Helm, Vancouver’s 2020 1st

Vancouver: Abdelkader, Detroit’s 2020 3rd, Edmonton’s 2020 4th

Ok but they will be the 2678 2679 and 2680 1st rounders
- RatedR80

And Toronto will still be waiting to win the cup then.

Our rebuild has been 14 years already
- RatedR80

Ours is 2 years in and it (frank)ing sucks.

Agreed. Just further evidence that the Oilers are behind in virtually every way. Maybe Holland can come in and fix that, but it remains to be seen. Even if two of his Cup wins aren't valid because "no salary cap", I'll at least give him credit for hiring all the excellent people to have come out of his organization over the past two decades.

Seems like he nurtured an environment where at least some degree of excellence could develop.
- MaximumBone

It takes more then salary to win a title....you need the right players to do it and Holland did assemble the right guys and he always looked to add to what he had too instead of staying put and doing nothing.....now we are looking at least another 2-3 years before anything happens....wtf did we do to deserve all of this anyways?