Jason is a smart capologist, and a relatively conservative GM.

So here's the possiuble outcomes.

1. Ullmark comes in at 1.5M
2. This gives the Sabres -$1,234,524
3a. Sabres demote Sobotka, saving $1,075,000 (miniumum salary +375K), putting the Sabres at -$159,524.
3b. Sabres demote Hunwick, saving another $1,075,000, putting the Sabres at $915,476.
4. This cap does not allow for injury callups without any bodies on LTIR. You can't call up Pilut, Jokiharju, Ruotsalainen (assuming he's in Roch, highly unlikely), Cozens for 9 game tryout, Thompson, or even Hickey and Oglevie. Best you can do is Asplund, Olofsson and Borgen. That's assuming one single injury at any one point during the season. Unrealistic.
5. Therefore, you need (highly desire) about maybe 3M or more so space to be able to make these callups when necessary.
6. With those 2 demoted, you have a roster of 12,8,2, with one callup (fight for full timer) Olofsson, setting your cap at $147,976
7. Therefore, even if you send both down, Botterill MUST trade at least one NHL salary.

If you choose to BO Sobotka instead and do the rest above, you save an additional $925K, setting your final cap before trades at $1,072,976. This number will allow for ONE callup at any point during the season. Again, Botterill is more conservative than to allow this to happen. He's literally up against a wall if 2 players get injured at any one time. Again, he is now forced to trade a player.

Yep a trade is coming. He will be rid of all the bad contracts (except Okposo) at the end of this year and wants no residuals, so I wouldn’t expect a buyout. After Ullmark gets his $1.4m or so we’ll be 1.9m over the cap.
I think jbotts was waiting to see all the arb awards to finalize a couple of trades. Honey mentioned Scandella. I wouldn’t mind trading Risto for futures now to a team with cap space and sign Gardiner. I think Gardiner is better, can be had for Probably Less than Ristos 5.4m and shoots left, which we need (I believe?).
Now if Risto can be traded for a #2 center (cough rnh) god bless jbotts, but I’m not sure we can get one for him? Maybe risto + (young dman) for rnh. Got to think jbotts has something up his sleeve for Risto - I cant fathom him being on the roster, too many dmen.

Just randomly posting this 'cuz it's so effing awesome. One of the greatest scenes ever. The whole scene is extremely well done (addition of bell chimes at certain points is amazing), but the part where Mac say's "I won't change my mind, 'cause I don't have to. 'Cause I'm an American. I won't change my mind on anything, regardless of the facts that are set out before me. I'm dug in, and I'll never change" reminds me of this message board. Anyway, here you go :


- kritter65

This is the episode where he's arguing about Catholicism right

We all keep saying things like "just another year of Bogo...", "Sobotka and Hunwick will be gone soon...". I think we'll be saying things like this forever. Every team has their Bogo's, Sobotka's, and Scandella's and fans are constantly yelling for their release. Two years from now we'll be clamoring for, I dunno ... Ullmark, Skinner, whomever to be bought out ? Hell, people will probably call for Jack's head in a few years too. I've come to the conclusion that there will ALWAYS be players we'll be trying to railroad out of town. Having a sh!tty contract or 3 is just part of the business. We all just need to deal with it better and not get so upset about it.

Again, crappy contracts are part of every team. Shouting about it here while adding threats and insults isn't going to accomplish anything. Anything positive, anyway.

You spend way too much time in the troll threads man. You a Garth guy?
- TheSabresTaco

It was shared by a couple of reputable sites which is the only reason I put any though into t
It

Just a random question. After the Montour trade and Sabres sending Guhle our way - who if I recall correctly from Sabres fans on this thread was 2nd or 3rd D prospect for you -

Why all the D men that aren't Buff draft picks and homegrown??

I thought from those comments Sabres were stacked with Kids ready to step in and play meaningful minutes this yr -

Just a random question. After the Montour trade and Sabres sending Guhle our way - who if I recall correctly from Sabres fans on this thread was 2nd or 3rd D prospect for you -

Why all the D men that aren't Buff draft picks and homegrown??

I thought from those comments Sabres were stacked with Kids ready to step in and play meaningful minutes this yr -
- dozerD10

Your question isn't very clear.

If I were to rank our prospects with Guhle included prior to the draft, I'd say:

1. Pilut
2. Borgen
3. Samuelsson
4. Laaksonen
5. Guhle
6. Bryson
7. Cronholm
8. Fitzgerald
9. Hickey
10. Kukkonen

Two years ago, I'd put Guhle at #1, prior to the 2018 draft.

Jason is a smart capologist, and a relatively conservative GM.

So here's the possiuble outcomes.

1. Ullmark comes in at 1.5M
2. This gives the Sabres -$1,234,524
3a. Sabres demote Sobotka, saving $1,075,000 (miniumum salary +375K), putting the Sabres at -$159,524.
3b. Sabres demote Hunwick, saving another $1,075,000, putting the Sabres at $915,476.
4. This cap does not allow for injury callups without any bodies on LTIR. You can't call up Pilut, Jokiharju, Ruotsalainen (assuming he's in Roch, highly unlikely), Cozens for 9 game tryout, Thompson, or even Hickey and Oglevie. Best you can do is Asplund, Olofsson and Borgen. That's assuming one single injury at any one point during the season. Unrealistic.
5. Therefore, you need (highly desire) about maybe 3M or more so space to be able to make these callups when necessary.
6. With those 2 demoted, you have a roster of 12,8,2, with one callup (fight for full timer) Olofsson, setting your cap at $147,976
7. Therefore, even if you send both down, Botterill MUST trade at least one NHL salary.

If you choose to BO Sobotka instead and do the rest above, you save an additional $925K, setting your final cap before trades at $1,072,976. This number will allow for ONE callup at any point during the season. Again, Botterill is more conservative than to allow this to happen. He's literally up against a wall if 2 players get injured at any one time. Again, he is now forced to trade a player.
- TheSabresTaco

Good post

How about sobotka, a 3rd and a 5th to Ottawa for a 7th?


How many teams can really take on more salary?

Any good team that wants risto is going to probably be $ in for $ out.

I could see a Matt moulson ahl move or 2.

I'll take a #6 with fries

Buying out Sobotka saves $2 million this year with $1 million rolling over to next year.

Send Scandella to Arizona like Homie said was in the works (only problem here is they are up against the cap until Hossa goes on LTIR)

2 years $1,500,000 for Ullmark

Gives them over $4.5 million in cap space

Just a random question. After the Montour trade and Sabres sending Guhle our way - who if I recall correctly from Sabres fans on this thread was 2nd or 3rd D prospect for you -

Why all the D men that aren't Buff draft picks and homegrown??

I thought from those comments Sabres were stacked with Kids ready to step in and play meaningful minutes this yr -
- dozerD10

No, the closest is Pilut if you consider him homegrown. Borgen is probably a year away. A few more are in a group after that

We all keep saying things like "just another year of Bogo...", "Sobotka and Hunwick will be gone soon...". I think we'll be saying things like this forever. Every team has their Bogo's, Sobotka's, and Scandella's and fans are constantly yelling for their release. Two years from now we'll be clamoring for, I dunno ... Ullmark, Skinner, whomever to be bought out ? Hell, people will probably call for Jack's head in a few years too. I've come to the conclusion that there will ALWAYS be players we'll be trying to railroad out of town. Having a sh!tty contract or 3 is just part of the business. We all just need to deal with it better and not get so upset about it.

Again, crappy contracts are part of every team. Shouting about it here while adding threats and insults isn't going to accomplish anything. Anything positive, anyway.
- kritter65

Good teams generally dont have 4-5 awful contracts on the books

After this season only Okposo is the remaining bad contract

Just a random question. After the Montour trade and Sabres sending Guhle our way - who if I recall correctly from Sabres fans on this thread was 2nd or 3rd D prospect for you -

Why all the D men that aren't Buff draft picks and homegrown??

I thought from those comments Sabres were stacked with Kids ready to step in and play meaningful minutes this yr -
- dozerD10

If I read into your question correctly, Guhle became expendable when we won the Dahlin sweepstakes. We needed some D talent to surround him with now and Guhle while a good prospect, was still 2 years away

Buying out Sobotka saves $2 million this year with $1 million rolling over to next year.

Send Scandella to Arizona like Homie said was in the works (only problem here is they are up against the cap until Hossa goes on LTIR)

2 years $1,500,000 for Ullmark

Gives them over $4.5 million in cap space
- Stripes77

Arizona still has space to absorb Scandella.

Read my post above. But outright trading Scandella for 0 salary back, without demoting Hunwick gives you around 3M in space.

Good teams generally dont have 4-5 awful contracts on the books

After this season only Okposo is the remaining bad contract
- Stripes77

Penguins have 3 terrible contracts. How 'good' they are can be debated, sure.

Arizona still has space to absorb Scandella.

Read my post above. But outright trading Scandella for 0 salary back, without demoting Hunwick gives you around 3M in space.
- TheSabresTaco

Not a bad thought, good news is Bots is in the drivers seat. He has never rushed a deal. He will weigh his options and the market. Deals wil get made. Patience is virtue

No, the closest is Pilut if you consider him homegrown. Borgen is probably a year away. A few more are in a group after that
- jcragcrumple

I didn't frame my question correctly -

See I thought those guys would play this yr and then Sabres wouldn't have had to do the Miller and McCabe moves even though those guys are only 25 & 26 I thought the Sabres D kids were better or potentially better quickly than them -

Good post

How about sobotka, a 3rd and a 5th to Ottawa for a 7th?


How many teams can really take on more salary?

Any good team that wants risto is going to probably be $ in for $ out.

I could see a Matt moulson ahl move or 2.

I'll take a #6 with fries
- Boss34

I mean, I think any of us would take a bag of McDonalds wrappers and some cold fries at the bottom of a bag for Sobotka. Problem with this particular proposal is that Ottawa does not need any more salary to be compliant. Melnyk is the cheapest owner in the NHL, and quite possibly in NA. He won't take him if he doesn't need to be compliant.

Not a bad thought, good news is Bots is in the drivers seat. He has never rushed a deal. He will weigh his options and the market. Deals wil get made. Patience is virtue
- lulags

I agree. They will get made because not only does he probably want to, he has to. He literally needs to make a trade. Or I guess send several guys to Rochester, which is unrealistic.

Look at that! 4-5 million/yer Gerbe is nowhere to be found to admit he was wrong about something he was so sure of.....again.

Look at that! 4-5 million/yer Gerbe is nowhere to be found to admit he was wrong about something he was so sure of.....again.
- seedy

Find the post

We all keep saying things like "just another year of Bogo...", "Sobotka and Hunwick will be gone soon...". I think we'll be saying things like this forever. Every team has their Bogo's, Sobotka's, and Scandella's and fans are constantly yelling for their release. Two years from now we'll be clamoring for, I dunno ... Ullmark, Skinner, whomever to be bought out ? Hell, people will probably call for Jack's head in a few years too. I've come to the conclusion that there will ALWAYS be players we'll be trying to railroad out of town. Having a sh!tty contract or 3 is just part of the business. We all just need to deal with it better and not get so upset about it.

Again, crappy contracts are part of every team. Shouting about it here while adding threats and insults isn't going to accomplish anything. Anything positive, anyway.
- kritter65

Hello? This is a "Hockey" online posting board for opinions and takes.....Wtf? lol

Arizona still has space to absorb Scandella.

Read my post above. But outright trading Scandella for 0 salary back, without demoting Hunwick gives you around 3M in space.
- TheSabresTaco

No they don't, not yet anyway Hossa isn't on LTIR yet they currently have about $200,000 in cap space

I agree. They will get made because not only does he probably want to, he has to. He literally needs to make a trade. Or I guess send several guys to Rochester, which is unrealistic.
- TheSabresTaco

Very unrealistic. We have some dead weight but also some really good chips with our depth on D. It will be interesting to see how he manages it all but I have full confidence in his ability to do so and do it well. If It was a GMTM fire sale, I’d be losing sleep

Penguins have 3 terrible contracts. How 'good' they are can be debated, sure.
- TheSabresTaco

I think the Penguins window is closed, they're still a playoff team but not a real contender to me

Especially after the Kessel trade

I mean, I think any of us would take a bag of McDonalds wrappers and some cold fries at the bottom of a bag for Sobotka. Problem with this particular proposal is that Ottawa does not need any more salary to be compliant. Melnyk is the cheapest owner in the NHL, and quite possibly in NA. He won't take him if he doesn't need to be compliant.
- TheSabresTaco

Is there another team or situation similar to Ottawa with cap room and a cheap owner?

We have plenty of room next year, so maybe jbotts rolls it over?

I think this McCabe award helps move him if need be?
He's a guy a team would want in my opinion, but another loser face in the buffalo lockerroom.

I like the guy, but at some point some of these guys have to be at fault for losing there entire pro career.

Phail lousley is fun to blame though