The good news we can still trade jake
- gerbe75pts

Sign and trades is not a thing in the NHL.

No they don't, not yet anyway Hossa isn't on LTIR yet they currently have about $200,000 in cap space
- Stripes77

10% overage. You know this. Teams can go up to 89,650,000, another 8,150,000m until the start of the season, which they can immediately send players to LTIR. With 200K space, taking Scandella would put them at -3,800,000. Hossa's cap is $5,275,000, essentially making Arizona's cap on day 1 $1,475,000. Assuming no other transactions.

Is there another team or situation similar to Ottawa with cap room and a cheap owner?

We have plenty of room next year, so maybe jbotts rolls it over?

I think this McCabe award helps move him if need be?
He's a guy a team would want in my opinion, but another loser face in the buffalo lockerroom.

I like the guy, but at some point some of these guys have to be at fault for losing there entire pro career.

Phail lousley is fun to blame though
- Boss34

Sign and trades without the players prior knowledge doesn't happen in the NHL. Especially with lowly bottom third players like McCabe.

10% overage. You know this.
- TheSabresTaco

But they have to be under when the season starts and even though the damn LTIR rules are all weird I am not sure what the Hossa situation looks like and they would have to put him on it before the season starts which I am not sure if they can with him

Sign and trades without the players prior knowledge doesn't happen in the NHL. Especially with lowly bottom third players like McCabe.
- TheSabresTaco

I'm not saying it's a sign and trade.

Its maybe a sign




Then a trade

Jbotts isnt giving any assets away for free.
He may buck the trend with any of these guys.

Gurgs
Larrson
Ullmark
Erod
Ellie
McCabe

But they have to be under when the season starts and even though the damn LTIR rules are all weird I am not sure what the Hossa situation looks like and they would have to put him on it before the season starts which I am not sure if they can with him
- Stripes77

They don't, though. That's why Toronto has over 11M in LTIR. As does Detroit.

But they have to be under when the season starts and even though the damn LTIR rules are all weird I am not sure what the Hossa situation looks like and they would have to put him on it before the season starts which I am not sure if they can with him
- Stripes77

So are you saying, you're Not Sure?

I'm not saying it's a sign and trade.

Its maybe a sign




Then a trade

Jbotts isnt giving any assets away for free.
He may buck the trend with any of these guys.

Gurgs
Larrson
Ullmark
Erod
Ellie
McCabe
- Boss34

Nah, that's greasy. If he's traded, it's around the TDL.

Exceptions: If Paul Fenton offers you NN for Girgensons, you make that (frank)ing trade.

Trade Scandella $4m
for
Foligno $2.8m

Minnesota has over $9m in space. Add a 5th or 6th pick if needed. They are familiar with Scandella and may hope he can bounce back. They are thin on the left side.

Trade Bogo $5.14m retain $1m
for
Borowiecki $1.2m
Ottawa has plenty of space and with Bogo starting the season on IR, us retaining $1m (or even $2m if needed) and perhaps adding a low pick the cost may be worth it to Ottawa. If Bogo comes back healthy Ottawa could use him as a TDL asset which would get them a better return than Borowiecki would.

Salary out $8.14m
Salary in $4m

Offer sheet Puljujarvi $3m. Cost would be a 2nd.

The way these LTIR transactions go, is essentially immediate. The season "starts" before the first game is played. It's during this time that all LTIR transactions are made. The league 'allows' teams to be 'uncompliant' for a few hours until those transactions are made official.

Trade Scandella $4m
for
Foligno $2.8m

Minnesota has over $9m in space. Add a 5th or 6th pick if needed. They are familiar with Scandella and may hope he can bounce back. They are thin on the left side.

Trade Bogo $5.14m retain $1m
for
Borowiecki $1.2m
Ottawa has plenty of space and with Bogo starting the season on IR, us retaining $1m (or even $2m if needed) and perhaps adding a low pick the cost may be worth it to Ottawa. If Bogo comes back healthy Ottawa could use him as a TDL asset which would get them a better return than Borowiecki would.

Salary out $8.14m
Salary in $4m

Offer sheet Puljujarvi $3m. Cost would be a 2nd.
- adambuffalo

So you're going to start with the team that not only wants to get younger as admitted by their owner, but also assuming both teams want to reverse a previous trade? And to bring back yet another bottom 6F?

Next, Melnyk has a hard on for Borowiecki. Watch that creepy video of them interviewing each other. Boro makes 1.2M. Bogo makes 6M. Not a chance in (frank)all that cheap POS takes on 4.8M in salary. Every move he makes sheds actual salary.

Nah, that's greasy. If he's traded, it's around the TDL.

Exceptions: If Paul Fenton offers you NN for Girgensons, you make that (frank)ing trade.
- TheSabresTaco

I'd say having the player signed makes the player easier to trade. The buyer knows exactly what they are getting.

Signing all these scrubs doesn't make them safer, especially if the arbiter or arbitrator gave a $ amount above jbotts value on that player

The way these LTIR transactions go, is essentially immediate. The season "starts" before the first game is played. It's during this time that all LTIR transactions are made. The league 'allows' teams to be 'uncompliant' for a few hours until those transactions are made official.
- TheSabresTaco

This is not correct. That is why Marner likely won't be signed until October 2nd, when they can place the guys on LTIR.

Going down the Laine path again for my amusement

Realistically what would it take to get him? Risto a 1st and what?

What would you think would be fair compensation? I am thinking 5 years $9 million per

I'd say having the player signed makes the player easier to trade. The buyer knows exactly what they are getting.

Signing all these scrubs doesn't make them safer, especially if the arbiter or arbitrator gave a $ amount above jbotts value on that player
- Boss34

In theory I agree. It's just not how the current NHL works. Erod is on a pretty solid contract. McCabe agreed to terms before arbitration, so the team is clearly fine with the offer. Ullmark is the undisputed backup/co-starter. If he makes his ask, which he won't, but if he does, MAYBE Botts does something about it. I'd highly doubt it though.

But you're right, having a signed player vs un-signed cements a player's value.

This is not correct. That is why Marner likely won't be signed until October 2nd, when they can place the guys on LTIR.
- adambuffalo

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq#offseason

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq#offseason
- Stripes77

This is not correct. That is why Marner likely won't be signed until October 2nd, when they can place the guys on LTIR.
- adambuffalo

Can LTIR be used in the off-season?
Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.

At the start of the season the teams LTIR relief & ACSL is recalculated when the 10% cushion is removed.

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq#offseason
- Stripes77

Avoids any need for debate. They spell everything out. You can always use LTIR, the relief formula is just different.

- MEBSabresFAN

POTY

Going down the Laine path again for my amusement

Realistically what would it take to get him? Risto a 1st and what?

What would you think would be fair compensation? I am thinking 5 years $9 million per
- Stripes77

I personally would not be interested in the cost it would take to trade for him in addition to the cost it would take to sign him.

Another point brought up, The Amerks are at the vet limit. No one can be sent down. They'd need to be loaned to other teams.

It appears Toronto is at approximately $84m in cap. This does not include the guys on LTIR. Add them in and they're over $97m. They still need to make moves to sign Marner. Last offer I saw was a bridge deal 3 years at $10m per.

It appears Toronto is at approximately $84m in cap. This does not include the guys on LTIR. Add them in and they're over $97m. They still need to make moves to sign Marner. Last offer I saw was a bridge deal 3 years at $10m per.
- adambuffalo

It definitely includes the LTIR candidates.

Another point brought up, The Amerks are at the vet limit. No one can be sent down. They'd need to be loaned to other teams.
- TheSabresTaco

There is no limit to how many vets they can have, only how many can dress for each game.

"Technically there is no limit on how many Veterans or Veteran Exempts a team can carry on their roster. But there are restrictions to how many of them can dress in each game. The limit of combined Veterans and VE’s that can dress in each game is six. At least one of those skaters HAS to be a VE. So you cannot dress six veterans in a game, but you can dress six VE’s in a game.

Veteran rules have no effect on goaltenders."