I have nothing against Laine.

But this isn’t a hot take that he’s really bad away from shooting the puck

And like I said I’m sure he’s gonna get better
- sbroads24

This is actually true. Believe it. Don't. Feel free. But if he was better than Jeff Skinner, why is he being relegated to the third line, behind the great Matt Perreault?

what's on netflix tonight

This is actually true. Believe it. Don't. Feel free. But if he was better than Jeff Skinner, why is he being relegated to the third line, behind the great Matt Perreault?
- TheSabresTaco

And like I’ve said if he was our draft pick it’s not like I’d run him out of town.

But trading a huge package for him and then paying him? Nah son

I wasnt cherry picking, check out other lists.

Laine is ranked higher in every category and also fantasy lists.

Do a little research , find me a list where skinner is %1000 better than skinner
- Boss34

My point was that it was cherry picked though.. Because it was. And you can't really say do a little research to me when your "research" consisted of one arbitrary list that was from LAST YEAR. I also don't have anything against Laine, and in time will probably be the better of the two. I also never said Skinner is better. Just showed that the "source" you used was faulty. Even if you assumed it was after the season ended, how could you remotely justify Skinner not in the top 100, and patty kane below Kopitar by any stretch.

And like I’ve said if he was our draft pick it’s not like I’d run him out of town.

But trading a huge package for him and then paying him? Nah son
- sbroads24

Agree. He is a valuable player. I personally would not be comfortable paying the PRICE for him, and simultaneously paying the PRICE for his contract.

Skinner is absolutely the better overall hockey player on and up to August 3rd, 2019

Skinner is absolutely the better overall hockey player on and up to August 3rd, 2019
- TheSabresTaco

Yup

Skinner is absolutely the better overall hockey player on and up to August 3rd, 2019
- TheSabresTaco

Honestly it’s kinda crazy how people are under rating Skinner after what we saw him do this year

what's on netflix tonight
- TheSabresTaco

Peaky Blinders

Skinner is absolutely the better overall hockey player on and up to August 3rd, 2019
- TheSabresTaco

One is 20 and one is 26.

In 8 years Laine will still be scoring 30-40 goals. In 8 years Skinner will be a top 3 buyout candidate in the league.

Laine is the superior player on just those grounds alone.

I can't believe people are bowing so hard to Skinner at the expense of Laine. Skinner is barely in Laine's league. On the Athletic this year one of their draft experts listed the top draft picks in the last 5 years and Laine was #2 behind McDavid and a few spots ahead of Eichel. Sbroads is one of the worst talent evaluators on this site so to take in his "incites" with wide eyes and interest is funny. Mark my words Skinner will not hit 40 goals again but Laine sure will and then some, and he'll pass the puck a few times too all while finally being able to drink legally in US cities.
- GilPerreault11

PL’s a scoring machine, and sure, I’d rather have him at this point than Skinnsie. But he’s not the 2nd best draft pick in the last five years. That’s cwazy.

Honestly it’s kinda crazy how people are under rating Skinner after what we saw him do this year
- sbroads24

He just signed an 8 year contract. I only care what he’s gonna do in those years. Odds he scores 40 goals after the 1st two years of that contract are slim. It’s why people are saying Laine is better

Patrick Laine is much more efficient than Jeff Skinner at a much younger age.

We are the only team's site who has a few homers who would take Jeff Skinner over Patrick Laine.

Similarity Scores Patrik Laine
Explanation Players with careers of similar quality and shape (thru 2018-19)
Thru 3 Years Adjusted Point Shares (Best to Worst)
Player 1 2 3
Patrik Laine 9.6 8.9 4.7
Billy Boucher 97.5 9.6 8.5 4.5
Dave Taylor 94.8 9.0 8.9 4.1
Milan Hejduk 93.9 10.6 9.0 4.4
Jimmy Carson 92.9 9.6 8.8 6.4
Glenn Anderson 92.1 9.7 7.7 4.2
Marian Gaborik 91.3 8.9 8.5 3.8
John Tavares 91.2 9.6 7.4 5.1
Denis Savard 89.8 9.8 7.7 5.6
Simon Gagne 89.5 9.5 7.7 5.9
Joe Sakic 88.3 10.0


Similarity Scores Jeff Skinner
Explanation Players with careers of similar quality and shape (thru 2018-19)
Thru 9 Years Adjusted Point Shares (Best to Worst)
Player 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Jeff Skinner 8.8 8.1 8.0 7.6 7.0 5.1 4.3 3.2 2.9
Vincent Damphousse 96.7 8.6 8.1 7.8 7.4 6.7 5.3 4.7 3.1 2.6
Max Bentley 95.0 8.6 7.8 7.8 7.5 7.2 5.4 5.0 3.2 1.5
Michael Ryder 94.1 8.9 8.1 7.5 7.4 6.0 5.9 4.2 3.7 3.0
David Backes 92.8 8.8 7.6 7.2 7.0 6.6 4.6 4.5 2.6 2.4
Paul Stastny 92.7 8.5 8.1 7.4 7.3 5.7 5.6 4.9 3.5 3.1
Rick Middleton 92.3 9.1 8.5 8.4 8.1 8.1 5.3 3.3 2.8 2.6
Doug Gilmour 92.2 9.2 7.8 7.5 7.0 7.0 6.6 3.6 3.6 3.4
Steve Sullivan 92.0 8.8 8.2 7.2 7.2 6.9 4.7 3.9 2.2 1.0
Billy Burch 91.4 8.9 8.4 8.1 7.7 7.3 5.4 3.5 1.8 0.5
Garry Unger 91.4 8.4 8.0 7.4 7.4 6.6 6.0 4.0 3.7 1.2


Jeff Skinner good player ad cmparable to some good players, Patrik Laine comparbles to some really good players and he is still going to get better. Drops mic

One is 20 and one is 26.

In 8 years Laine will still be scoring 30-40 goals. In 8 years Skinner will be a top 3 buyout candidate in the league.

Laine is the superior player on just those grounds alone.
- Fattony1187

But this isn’t the debate

PL’s a scoring machine, and sure, I’d rather have him at this point than Skinnsie. But he’s not the 2nd best draft pick in the last five years. That’s cwazy.
- PrinceChill

The 'scoring machine' had a whopping 15 goals away from the power play last year. Fifteen.

Difference is we’ve haven’t had anything behind these types of players for years

If Rusto or Asplund can be obviously better than Sobotka he will get waived
- sbroads24

I think the stats bear out that Sobotka is sub-replacement value, either looked at through the lens of counting stats or advanced stats. A guy like CJ Smith is probably more effective, but coaches cant resist the allure of a guy like Sobotka

I think the stats bear out that Sobotka is sub-replacement value, either looked at through the lens of counting stats or advanced stats. A guy like CJ Smith is probably more effective, but coaches cant resist the allure of a guy like Sobotka
- jcragcrumple

I agree with you but I have faith this year is going to be different

One is 20 and one is 26.

In 8 years Laine will still be scoring 30-40 goals. In 8 years Skinner will be a top 3 buyout candidate in the league.

Laine is the superior player on just those grounds alone.
- Fattony1187

Don’t forget piling up rocket trophies in his cabinet

I agree with you but I have faith this year is going to be different
- sbroads24

I think a coach is a coach. If Sobotka is available to a coach, he will be on the 23-man roster imo. If he's the extra forward, honestly I don't care. But buying him out makes sense to me

Don’t forget piling up rocket trophies in his cabinet
- gerbe75pts

If we’re picking one player for the next 8 years - I’m picking Laine

Next 3 years, it’s Skinner by a landslide

Honestly it’s kinda crazy how people are under rating Skinner after what we saw him do this year
- sbroads24

What? Quit for 3 months?

I kid.

One is 20 and one is 26.

In 8 years Laine will still be scoring 30-40 goals. In 8 years Skinner will be a top 3 buyout candidate in the league.

Laine is the superior player on just those grounds alone.
- Fattony1187

Mario Lemieux will score 0 goals next year, so Laine is obviously better. If they were the same age, ok, but that's a huge difference.

If we’re picking one player for the next 8 years - I’m picking Laine

Next 3 years, it’s Skinner by a landslide
- sbroads24

But there's at least a chance Laine is better over the next 3 seasons.

Mario Lemieux will score 0 goals next year, so Laine is obviously better. If they were the same age, ok, but that's a huge difference.
- Wetbandit1

Well, I get your point, but the question is - or should be - who gets the contract now.

But there's at least a chance Laine is better over the next 3 seasons.
- Lunaion

A great chance.

It boils down to just how good Jeff Skinner really is, that Laine has to do a 180 in a lot of aspects to be that caliber of player, IMO

Edit - I guess you mean there’s a chance he’s better than Skinner
I’d say it’s a slim chance, but absolutely possible