DarthKane
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Location: 5.13.4.9 Joined: 02.23.2012
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Marner is a 200 ft. player that also penalty kills, ADB hasn't proven any defensive chops as of yet. - LAHawk
I am not sure about a 200 foot player ,he is a decent PK with his speed . As I said goals are gold in the NHL and if ADC puts up another 40 or so they will have to back up the truck to pay him .And ADC does that with Strom riding shot gun he will be filling his pockets also .. |
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DarthKane
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Location: 5.13.4.9 Joined: 02.23.2012
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I am not sure about a 200 foot player ,he is a decent PK with his speed . As I said goals are gold in the NHL and if ADC puts up another 40 or so they will have to back up the truck to pay him .And ADC does that with Strom riding shot gun he will be filling his pockets also .. - oldduffman
Strome and DeBrincat should sign for the league minimum. If they don't accept it they don't play. |
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Strome and DeBrincat should sign for the league minimum. If they don't accept it they don't play. - DarthKane
Without moving some big contracts ,that may be all we have to offer |
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$775,000
- DarthKane
I would much rather have Forsberg at that price then Delia at 1 mill |
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Location: Edmonton, AB Joined: 11.30.2015
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I would much rather have Forsberg at that price then Delia at 1 mill - oldduffman
Just my opinion, but I think you'd be in the minority on that one. I liked Forsberg for the most part, except that he has failed to show the composure needed at the NHL level and has flopped in many short stints in the NHL. Delia might not end up being any better, but he seems to at least handle the pressure better when on the ice.
Biggest issue with Delia is that the scouting noticed he was down too early and teams beat him up high way too often. 750K or 1 mill, both can be buried and Delia maybe takes another steps, Forsberg is looking more like he is what he is. It would be good to see Delia play with an actual defense in front of him. |
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jhawk59
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I would much rather have Forsberg at that price then Delia at 1 mill - oldduffman
Forsberg may finally be focused and ready for NHL; it never was about ability. Delia has some issues with
development. The Blackhawks may need each point they can muster to get into post season and Delia could cost them points if he is summoned. With Forsberg gone, i actually prefer to learn if Laakinen is NHL ready. We may need him; he is inexpensive too if Crawford is out with injury.
Perhaps 6628 can talk to his liking or not the capability and ceiling he figures Delia carries. |
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DarthKane
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Location: 5.13.4.9 Joined: 02.23.2012
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I would much rather have Forsberg at that price then Delia at 1 mill - oldduffman
Forsberg @ $775,000 >>>>> Lehner @ $5,000,000
Stan missed out on a serious opportunity to bank $4,225,000 in magnificent cap space. Another fail by Bowman. |
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rpeters01
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Without moving some big contracts ,that may be all we have to offer - oldduffman
I'm not convinced Toews makes it to the end of his contract. Another year like '16-17 or '17-18 and he's adios. They will have to make tough decisions to get or stay good. I think Kane outlasts him unless there's an exceptional trade out there. I realize they both have NMC's. The numbers just don't work very well even if those two stay good. In 3-4 years the young defense men will be off ELC's.
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rpeters01
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Forsberg @ $775,000 >>>>> Lehner @ $5,000,000
Stan missed out on a serious opportunity to bank $4,225,000 in magnificent cap space. Another fail by Bowman. - DarthKane
Crawford can be LTIR, Lehner is a million bucks cheaper than Crow. Pretty smart move by Stan...
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You may choose to give credit where credit is due. The coaching style Colliton used was to try to outscore teams last season. That reportedly was by design: Bowman and Colliton came up with that in their talk when Colliton was hired and before he coached an NHL game.
I will judge Colliton by his performance after off season player transactions and a new defensive system + new coaches transcends anything from last season. Marc Crawford is a great hands on ast coach who will help too. Colliton has coached and played the gsme at NHL level (briefly - Islandees).. He went far in AHL playoffs. He is qualified and able enough. - jhawk59
Put your sarcasm lenses on, I'm just joking. I'm one of the few optimists when dealing with the team. I have the same thought process as you. |
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DarthKane
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Location: 5.13.4.9 Joined: 02.23.2012
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Crawford can be LTIR, Lehner is a million bucks cheaper than Crow. Pretty smart move by Stan... - rpeters01
Impossible, this never happens. |
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paulr
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Location: YYZ Joined: 06.26.2011
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I am not sure about a 200 foot player ,he is a decent PK with his speed . As I said goals are gold in the NHL and if ADC puts up another 40 or so they will have to back up the truck to pay him .And ADC does that with Strom riding shot gun he will be filling his pockets also .. - oldduffman
I hate the Leafs more than any team in the league and it pains me to heap praise on any Leaf player but I have watched Marner closely over the past 3 years and this guy is a solid two way player in the vein of a Toews, Bergeron or a Kopitar. Not only that he has the vision and thinks the offensive part of his game similar to Patrik Kane. In his first three seasons in the NHL his offensive numbers are almost identical to Kane's with the biggest exception between the two is, while both play in the top 6 and both are on the first powerplay unit, Marner is on the first penalty killing unit and he is used in shutdown situations including the last minutes of close games regardless of which team is ahead.
The last two playoffs it was no coincidence the Bruins targeted Marner's line with Bergeron's line. As Marner goes, so do the Leafs. |
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Just my opinion, but I think you'd be in the minority on that one. I liked Forsberg for the most part, except that he has failed to show the composure needed at the NHL level and has flopped in many short stints in the NHL. Delia might not end up being any better, but he seems to at least handle the pressure better when on the ice.
Biggest issue with Delia is that the scouting noticed he was down too early and teams beat him up high way too often. 750K or 1 mill, both can be buried and Delia maybe takes another steps, Forsberg is looking more like he is what he is. It would be good to see Delia play with an actual defense in front of him. - breadbag
Oh I know I am but feel Forsberg has a much better chance at becoming something well Delia has never shown me anything special |
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paulr
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Location: YYZ Joined: 06.26.2011
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I'm not convinced Toews makes it to the end of his contract. Another year like '16-17 or '17-18 and he's adios. They will have to make tough decisions to get or stay good. I think Kane outlasts him unless there's an exceptional trade out there. I realize they both have NMC's. The numbers just don't work very well even if those two stay good. In 3-4 years the young defense men will be off ELC's. - rpeters01
As Enzo says Toews has already been relegated to third line center. Personally I'm with you they should ship the bum out!
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rpeters01
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As Enzo says Toews has already been relegated to third line center. Personally I'm with you they should ship the bum out! - paulr
He's in "prove it to me year" every year now seriously ONLY because of the cap he deserves better. |
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I hate the Leafs more than any team in the league and it pains me to heap praise on any Leaf player but I have watched Marner closely over the past 3 years and this guy is a solid two way player in the vein of a Toews, Bergeron or a Kopitar. Not only that he has the vision and thinks the offensive part of his game similar to Patrik Kane. In his first three seasons in the NHL his offensive numbers are almost identical to Kane's with the biggest exception between the two is, while both play in the top 6 and both are on the first powerplay unit, Marner is on the first penalty killing unit and he is used in shutdown situations including the last minutes of close games regardless of which team is ahead.
The last two playoffs it was no coincidence the Bruins targeted Marner's line with Bergeron's line. As Marner goes, so do the Leafs. - paulr
Well I will take your word for it . I also hate the Leafs ,being from Southern Ontario . I do respect Marner talent . And yes he was neutralized for the most part by the bruins . He plays on a very talented team with some great support ,and still can't seem to get by the 1st round .
I also see a huge injury risk with Marner out their in all situations .He is just not build to take the heavy hitting . Kane and ADC seem to be built a little lower center of gravity .. We shall see .I know one thing we both hate the Leafs ... |
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jhawk59
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Joined: 02.15.2013
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Put your sarcasm lenses on, I'm just joking. I'm one of the few optimists when dealing with the team. I have the same thought process as you. - I Am The Breadman
Ok. My bad. Didn"t see sarcasm |
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Ok. My bad. Didn"t see sarcasm - jhawk59
Hahaha, it's all good, my man. |
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gabriel
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Location: West Lafayette, IN Joined: 02.02.2013
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I hate the Leafs more than any team in the league and it pains me to heap praise on any Leaf player but I have watched Marner closely over the past 3 years and this guy is a solid two way player in the vein of a Toews, Bergeron or a Kopitar. Not only that he has the vision and thinks the offensive part of his game similar to Patrik Kane. In his first three seasons in the NHL his offensive numbers are almost identical to Kane's with the biggest exception between the two is, while both play in the top 6 and both are on the first powerplay unit, Marner is on the first penalty killing unit and he is used in shutdown situations including the last minutes of close games regardless of which team is ahead.
The last two playoffs it was no coincidence the Bruins targeted Marner's line with Bergeron's line. As Marner goes, so do the Leafs. - paulr
Paul, as U.S. citizen, please explain the Leafs hate. At first glance if anything, I would think the Montreal Canadiens would receive non-Habs fans ire. They've been so successful with 24 SC victories. Is Canada's press in the tank for Toronto? I can fully understand rivalries like Cubs-Sox. But, not living in Canada, I don't understand the Leafs hate. PLease inform.
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bhawks2241
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Location: Chicago, IL Joined: 09.17.2013
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Good luck with that . ADB get 50 or 40 plus that kind of consistent goal scoring will but him in a very good position for big money . Marner plays on a pretty stacked team compared to ADB ,and he is a very complete player .Goals are gold in the NHL . - oldduffman
LOL... I thought defense wins in the playoffs... now all of you are about goal scoring and a guy who doesn't bring much else.
Also comparing Dcat to a HOF in another sport..... |
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bhawks2241
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Location: Chicago, IL Joined: 09.17.2013
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He's the Chris Carter of the NHL. Buddy Ryan said all Carter did was score touchdowns, so he let him go.....to the Hall of Fame. Guys who score goals make $$$$. - mohel
So? Defense and strong 2-way play wins in the playoffs. You want the Hawks to commit 9 mil to Dcat? He hasn't shown much else besides the ability to score.
Yes it is a valuable skill to have but the Hawks shouldn't pay 9 mil plus for it. |
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vabeachbear
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Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC Joined: 10.17.2011
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Oh I know I am but feel Forsberg has a much better chance at becoming something well Delia has never shown me anything special - oldduffman
Delia is massively overrated.
He will be in Rockford for a year or two more, than disappear.
He got progressively worse as time went on.
He's not an long term NHL goalie. |
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SaadBeast
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I agree , the only issue with that is Winnipeg doesn't have a cap problem , their swimming in money right now.
Stan won't have the same leverage next year to be as flexible - Taylorst1
But they do. Even tho they have 17 mil in cap space, they only have 17 players signed. And not only Laine, but Connor needs a new deal too. They have gotten way worse this offseason |
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DarthKane
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Location: 5.13.4.9 Joined: 02.23.2012
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But they do. Even tho they have 17 mil in cap space, they only have 17 players signed. And not only Laine, but Connor needs a new deal too. They have gotten way worse this offseason - SaadBeast
Winnipeg is due to slide this year, on paper they are worse off compared to last year. |
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