Feel free to add a dumb trade suggestion, everyone else has.
- Aetherial

Just an open mind. I’m sure there are offers on the table.

Has anyone stopped to think that Babcock is the problem and not the money?

The number of issues that have leaked in the last year and half about Babcock and relationships with his players...I would not be surprised if Marner is looking for some kind of guarantee about Babcock.

Just a thought
- wbon22

Have you had similar thoughts about Point and Rantanen? If not, why not?

This is all silly speculation.

Leafs should let him sit

Make an example out of him

Fax him 3 years x 8 or 8 years x 10 with a note saying "Let us know when you want to play"

Soooooo...Marner turned down 8yrs at 11 mill!?

I think not

Soooooo...Marner turned down 8yrs at 11 mill!?

I think not
- rrentz

I think he would. Way too much term for 11 million. He would sign for 11 million. but, 5 or 6 years ....max.

Hopefully this will get done quickly. I was sick of this being the topic of conversation before it even started. Why the obsession with Marner? What about Laine, Point, Rantanen, Connor, Tkachuk etc?

Marner has never scored 30 goals, never been an All-Star, never won an individual award and never led his team to winning a playoff round. The 90 points this season were nice but if you're confident, then take a two year bridge deal and show that you're a 90-100 point player and not a 70 player who had a great season.

People spouting about Auston Matthews being his comparable are out to lunch.

One thing is certain.

Toronto is definitely not the center of the hockey universe.


- Aetherial

Ummmmm...
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Hilarious how noobs without hardware want big money like veterans with cup rings.

Tell him to go stock groceries for a while and then come back with a better attitude.
- GalacticStone

Yeah, I wish he would stop being such a selfish douchebag, and act more like Point.

Hopefully this will get done quickly. I was sick of this being the topic of conversation before it even started. Why the obsession with Marner? What about Laine, Point, Rantanen, Connor, Tkachuk etc?

Marner has never scored 30 goals, never been an All-Star, never won an individual award and never led his team to winning a playoff round. The 90 points this season were nice but if you're confident, then take a two year bridge deal and show that you're a 90-100 point player and not a 70 player who had a great season.

People spouting about Auston Matthews being his comparable are out to lunch.
- MrBen

People who hate the leafs blow Marner and want to see him get a massive deal to hurt the Leafs. The fact is, you are incorrect, he doesn't score enough goals to get anything close to 11 million+ per.

Has anyone stopped to think that Babcock is the problem and not the money?

The number of issues that have leaked in the last year and half about Babcock and relationships with his players...I would not be surprised if Marner is looking for some kind of guarantee about Babcock.

Just a thought
- wbon22

Yeah, I wish Marner would stop being such a selfish douchebag and act more like Provorov and Konecny.

I think he would. Way too much term for 11 million. He would sign for 11 million. but, 5 or 6 years ....max.
- hawk35

Too much term for 11 million!? You're crazy. Panarin just signed for 11.6 for 7 years as the cream of the crop of the UFA class. You think 11 million (making him the 2nd highest paid winger in the NHL) for 7 or 8 years is too much for a RFA?

You're the worst kind of troll.

So you're saying there's a chance........

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No I assume Leaf management would be smart enuf to sign him to 5 x 9.5 if that was doable. You may live in the dark, but if this deal is not done to this point there is no doubt he wants CLOSE to Matthews $$$ and term. And when it is signed and he signs for 10.5 or 11 x 5.....or 11 or 11.5 x 6.....make sure you come back to let me know my "sourses" were spot on.

Geez....what foolishness some of you go on with. The WORLD knows Marner wants in the neighborhood of Matthews, right or wrong...and when done he may sign for a shade less, but that's all. You can doubt it all you want but it is what it is.

What do you think then smart-ass??? Marner is good with 5 x 9...but Leafs won't do it???
- hawk35

1. you don't have sources.
2. you're confusing speculation for fact
3. Do you really believe what agents/players/GMs say in interviews when it comes to contracts?
4. Why would Mitch sign before other big RFAs sign? What is the rush to do get it done in July or August? there are 30 other RFAs that need contracts

The facts:
Marner wants the Matthews contract. Dollars and term.
Marner wants to remain a Leaf.
Marner is elite.
Marner is NOT Nikita Kucherov or Patrick Kane.
Marner's agent is a grinder.
The Leafs cleared enough room in the most creative ways possible.
The Leafs are up against the cap in a hard way.
The Leafs did not let Marner stand in the way of building their roster in the process.
The Leafs do not want another William Nylander fiasco.
The Leafs hold most of the power, due to Marner's RFA status.
Marner has stated he wants to be at training camp, but will not be there without a deal.
The Leafs want Marner at training camp.
Marner is not a Centreman.
Marner hit back to back seasons over 60 points in his first two seasons.
Marner hit 94 points when the Leafs brought in Tavares to be his pivot.
Marner's camp believes his only comparable is Auston Matthews even though Auston Matthews is statistically better than Mitch Marner as far as points per game and goal scoring are concerned.


When I look at these facts, to me it says; "sign for 10.5 or we're going to have you sit the season, or find you a new home". I just don't know if they have set any kind of internal deadline on this..

The fact is, after Dubas openly regrets how he handled the Nylander situation, he doesn't seem to me like the guy who will make the same mistake twice. Either he gets Marner signed to the deal he cleared the space for, or he finds Marner a new home and gets a king's ransom of a return.

Hilarious how noobs without hardware want big money like veterans with cup rings.

Tell him to go stock groceries for a while and then come back with a better attitude.
- GalacticStone

The problem is veterans with cup rings get paid for what they've done. I'd rather sign the early 20's player with years of great hockey ahead of him.

Has anyone stopped to think that Babcock is the problem and not the money?

The number of issues that have leaked in the last year and half about Babcock and relationships with his players...I would not be surprised if Marner is looking for some kind of guarantee about Babcock.

Just a thought
- wbon22

Babcock is a problem, but it's more about player usage. He doesn't put out the best lineup or play his best players enough.

People talk about Matthews getting 11.6, has anyone seen his crappy usage? His numbers are absolutely fantastic. He's the best 5 on 5 goal scorer in the NHL and not top 80 in TOI in the NHL

Too much term for 11 million!? You're crazy. Panarin just signed for 11.6 for 7 years as the cream of the crop of the UFA class. You think 11 million (making him the 2nd highest paid winger in the NHL) for 7 or 8 years is too much for a RFA?

You're the worst kind of troll.
- MrBen

No. I don't think so. MARNER and his team of negotiators thinks so. He will NOT sign for 11 million for any more than 6 years. Mark it.

No. I don't think so. MARNER and his team of negotiators thinks so. He will NOT sign for 11 million for any more than 6 years. Mark it.
- hawk35

I don't think any RFAs are signing for more than 6 years. The 8 year deals are done.

On one had, I'm thinking Marner is getting craaaaaaap advice.

On the other... how many of these leaks are real?

I don't think any RFAs are signing for more than 6 years. The 8 year deals are done.
- RogerRoeper

Agree completely. Marner signs for 6 or less years...

If Leafs are paying Marner for what he has accomplished they are looking at 7 million a year. If they want to pay him for what he hasn't accomplished but may some day, then roll the dice and up comes the 11 million per year. Now either 7 or 11 is still a gamble when a few years down the road someone can crap out.
Hard to believe a good GM is based on nothing more than a real life gambling game.

On one had, I'm thinking Marner is getting craaaaaaap advice.

On the other... how many of these leaks are real?
- OzBolts

Yeah, I wish he would quit being a selfish douchebag, and act more like Point.

Too much term for 11 million!? You're crazy. Panarin just signed for 11.6 for 7 years as the cream of the crop of the UFA class. You think 11 million (making him the 2nd highest paid winger in the NHL) for 7 or 8 years is too much for a RFA?

You're the worst kind of troll.
- MrBen

I'm with you!

No player coming off ELC would turn down 11mill guaranteed for 8 years. It be assinine if he did.

I'm with you!

No player coming off ELC would turn down 11mill guaranteed for 8 years. It be assinine if he did.
- rrentz

New CBA is coming.

More importantly, new US TV (and other media) contracts are coming.

There is the potential for the salary cap to take a big jump in the next few years do to increased media contact money.

If I'm giving Marner advice, I'd be telling him to take a 3-year deal.

Kills me as a Leafs fan to say it, but it's the smart move.

Why does your whole argument revolve around what Marner wants?

You have never negotiated a thing in your life have you?