Yeah, I wish he would stop being such a selfish douchebag, and act more like Point.
- Atomic Wedgie

Two things they both have in common is they both reportedly aren’t interested in any offer sheets.

The facts:
Marner wants the Matthews contract. Dollars and term.
Marner wants to remain a Leaf.
Marner is elite.
Marner is NOT Nikita Kucherov or Patrick Kane.
Marner's agent is a grinder.
The Leafs cleared enough room in the most creative ways possible.
The Leafs are up against the cap in a hard way.
The Leafs did not let Marner stand in the way of building their roster in the process.
The Leafs do not want another William Nylander fiasco.
The Leafs hold most of the power, due to Marner's RFA status.
Marner has stated he wants to be at training camp, but will not be there without a deal.
The Leafs want Marner at training camp.
Marner is not a Centreman.
Marner hit back to back seasons over 60 points in his first two seasons.
Marner hit 94 points when the Leafs brought in Tavares to be his pivot.
Marner's camp believes his only comparable is Auston Matthews even though Auston Matthews is statistically better than Mitch Marner as far as points per game and goal scoring are concerned.


When I look at these facts, to me it says; "sign for 10.5 or we're going to have you sit the season, or find you a new home". I just don't know if they have set any kind of internal deadline on this..

The fact is, after Dubas openly regrets how he handled the Nylander situation, he doesn't seem to me like the guy who will make the same mistake twice. Either he gets Marner signed to the deal he cleared the space for, or he finds Marner a new home and gets a king's ransom of a return.
- Snowman X

He’s turned down all offer sheets to this point.

If it came down to a trade is Marner going to circle back to those teams that he declined to?

It’s a long summer and there is no reason for either side to buckle right now. There is still 6 weeks left.

Member when Dreger said he'd be on a plane June 26th with his agent to sign offersheets? LOL

Member when Dreger said he'd be on a plane June 26th with his agent to sign offersheets? LOL
- RogerRoeper

Why would you need to be on a plane?

He’s turned down all offer sheets to this point.

If it came down to a trade is Marner going to circle back to those teams that he declined to?

It’s a long summer and there is no reason for either side to buckle right now. There is still 6 weeks left.
- Santo_44

An RFA doesn't have any trade rights. He can't block a trade to CBJ if that's where Dubas wants to send him.

It must be so frustrating to be Dubas right now. Both parties must be really feeling the heat after the signings of Rantanen, Point, Werenski, Boeser, McAvoy, and Tkachuk. It's going to be absolute bedlam when he gets offer sheeted. I just don't know how they do it

An RFA doesn't have any trade rights. He can't block a trade to CBJ if that's where Dubas wants to send him.
- Snowman X

I know......

But he already said no to teams who can afford him.

He can either accept a trade to one of those teams or cave in and sign with the Leafs.

New CBA is coming.

More importantly, new US TV (and other media) contracts are coming.

There is the potential for the salary cap to take a big jump in the next few years do to increased media contact money.

If I'm giving Marner advice, I'd be telling him to take a 3-year deal.

Kills me as a Leafs fan to say it, but it's the smart move.
- Atomic Wedgie

Exactly

Excuse Mr. Insider, where did you get this info?
- lonnyBohonos

TSN

https://www.tsn.ca/report...v-based-on-term-1.1347310

Leaf fans predictably hope Marner signs but it is quite possible that a trade could benefit the team. A deal that brings back a proven player and at least one first rounder and other picks just might entice Dubas. Might help avoid these disputes as well
- Hardbalz

i hope marner and nylander get traded for guys with size skill and sandpaper.

OR...

It is summer. Nothing is happening. We are bored. The media has nothing legit to report. So let's put some Leafs crap out there because it generates hits.

Just a thought
- Aetherial

naaailed it.

Dubas is saying nothing is going on atm (i.e. I'm not publicly discussing my negotiations) but let's ask my sources that have been right about absolutely nothing to date, to see how we can "read between the lines". Oh ya, and I'll ignore alllll the other RFA situations, call my myself an insider and let people argue over what is fact and what is not just to keep the interest up.

Marner will be a Flyer this training camp. Then the other core leaf dominoes fall. Matthews will want out of Angry Hoth Toronto and back home to Arizona where he can anonymously walk down the street and not get hypothermia, pay less taxes and experience post season success. Then he will come back to Toronto with Kessel next summer with the Cup with Larry Murphy. Tavares will simply retire in his prime, a broken man,disgusted with his choice to sign in Hogtown.Take THAT to the bank.

I'm not a contracts guru by any means but since he is young couldn't you front/back load the contract to get $$ on it just get creative with term? I don't know if any of the big 4 sports do that anymore but just a thought.

TSN

https://www.tsn.ca/report...v-based-on-term-1.1347310
- think_mcfly_think

The article mentions "general consensus" for what Mitch wants. Might as well just say "we're guessing and don't actually know whats going on".

It's August. Articles for the sake of writing articles season

I didn't think they could sign him until they shed cap money? They can only exceed the cap by 10 percent and they are already over that. I didn't think ltir money could be removed until the season starts?
- jmdodgeser4

they can use the LTIR during the summer.

Just because there are 3 offers, doesn't mean Marner is obligated to sign any of them.

6 years at 10 million, 8 years at 11 million...while looking nice are BOTH wayyyyyy outside the 11.5 over 5 years he wants close to.

6 years might be fine...if Leafs upped it to 11.5 or 12 million.
8 years might work too....if 14 million was the amount

But, none of the 3 offers you mentioned was close to the Matthews deal....and THAT is the ballpark Marner wants. Buckle up. This is going well into training camp, and likely the start of the season.
- hawk35

I'd like to see him at camp but he may not even play for the Leafs this year unless he take a 1 year deal were the Leafs can fit him in with the pro-rated cap hit.

Marner will be a Flyer this training camp. Then the other core leaf dominoes fall. Matthews will want out of Angry Hoth Toronto and back home to Arizona where he can anonymously walk down the street and not get hypothermia, pay less taxes and experience post season success. Then he will come back to Toronto with Kessel next summer with the Cup with Larry Murphy. Tavares will simply retire in his prime, a broken man,disgusted with his choice to sign in Hogtown.Take THAT to the bank.
- fatty_mcmanboobs

At this point you are about as factual as anyone else I suppose. At least 1 person will be right at the end of day....

Feel free to add a dumb trade suggestion, everyone else has.
- Aetherial

marner, 2 1sts and a 2nd for domi

Marner will be a Flyer this training camp. Then the other core leaf dominoes fall. Matthews will want out of Angry Hoth Toronto and back home to Arizona where he can anonymously walk down the street and not get hypothermia, pay less taxes and experience post season success. Then he will come back to Toronto with Kessel next summer with the Cup with Larry Murphy. Tavares will simply retire in his prime, a broken man,disgusted with his choice to sign in Hogtown.Take THAT to the bank.
- fatty_mcmanboobs

If I’m the Leafs, I publicly state that they’re not negotiating with Marner in-season. And you get Shanahan to say it.

All I heard was how that was Marner’s right last year and he was applauded for trying to limit distractions. Well, turnabout is fair play. It’s the Leafs’ turn to dig in. No deal? Sit or trade.

Leafs should let him sit

Make an example out of him

Fax him 3 years x 8 or 8 years x 10 with a note saying "Let us know when you want to play"
- RoloTahmasee

Bad precedent & bad business. Makes no sense sending out that type of message for the present & future. It’s not Marner’s concern if Dubas wants contracts staggered. I could care nada if I were Marner what other players terms are it’s not his problem or business. The bigger question is not so much money but why AM signed/wanted only 5yrs? UFA years either get paid huge or players want an earlier shot at the big last contract while better positioned in their prime to demand one. GM’s want security or is it insecurity a player will bolt once a UFA?

The cba allows for 7yrs of team control. Owners don’t like it idgaf.
GM’s don’t like it idgaf.
Players already succumbed to a hard cap & escrow & the owners will want more blood next cba.
So what is it?
The owners keep making more inroads & players give up more?
The stars keep making the $10m+ per year & the middle contract gets further squeezed?
Players with less likely long careers keep on getting squeezed out & ELC’s become even more crucial if not already the case. Does that not sound like 3rd world economics? You have the uber rich & the lowest paid ppl & the middle class becomes non existent or at the least keeps trending that way.

Considering the next cba is coming fast i can see some very difficult negotiations ahead. The stars might be the drawing cards but they are the few & the many won’t sit back & take it. Stars expecting contracts covering upwards of 14-15yrs & others having 4-6yrs or less of NHL with some carving out bonus years is what we are seeing. Sure most players are only good enough to have short careers & replaced by RFA’s. The Q is how many are legitimately beat out vs a cap casualty?

Yeah, I wish Marner would stop being such a selfish douchebag and act more like Provorov and Konecny.
- Atomic Wedgie

has anyone seen or heard from Dreger lately... 'cause correct me if I'm wrong... no one other than Aho has recieved any kind of offer sheet ....

we desparately need Dreger to bring sanity to this "crazy period of Marner selfishness"...

oh... btw have Rantanen, Point or McAvoy signed yet?

It's funny, somebody on here, sorry can't remember who said Toronto is not the centre of the hockey universe, yet here we are in August talking about a Toronto FA, when there are arguably at least 2 other better FA (Point and Rantanen) and some others on the same level as Marner. But we talk about Marner, Speaking of, I don't think Marner puts up those numbers on a less talented team, he is a product of his environment. If I were Marner I would sign a 2-3 year bridge deal, take advantage of your "good" season, and if you repeat it, you get PAID. One season does not make superstar. Hopefully it works out, but for me trade if he wants too much, he doesn't "derserve" AM numbers (neither did AM, but thats another opinion). Who signs first Point, Rantanen or Marner?

An RFA doesn't have any trade rights. He can't block a trade to CBJ if that's where Dubas wants to send him.
- Snowman X

CBJ cannot force any contract that suits them onto an RFA either. An RFA wanting to leave will not sign a 7-8yr term then will leave like Panarin & Bob did. Money is not everything in these cases.

I know......

But he already said no to teams who can afford him.

He can either accept a trade to one of those teams or cave in and sign with the Leafs.
- Santo_44

We don't know if teams actually offersheeted him or not.

Some probably showed interest and maybe Marner told them he isnt interested in leaving Toronto.

Those are two different things..