Yeah, I wish he would stop being such a selfish douchebag, and act more like Point.
- Atomic Wedgie

I would wager than Point signs first.

they can use the LTIR during the summer.
- zazzle

About 8.4m is available to sign Marner unless play with less than a 23 player roster. Manageable if necessary. Once Hyman & Dermott are healthy will be if enough LTIR relief has accumulated. Add to that in season relief & it should be tight but doable.

The problem is veterans with cup rings get paid for what they've done. I'd rather sign the early 20's player with years of great hockey ahead of him.
- RogerRoeper

Well, I can't argue with this point.

I'd like to see him at camp but he may not even play for the Leafs this year unless he take a 1 year deal were the Leafs can fit him in with the pro-rated cap hit.
- zazzle

Too much risk on Marner’s part. Plays in all situations & injuries are possible. A 1yr bridge makes no sense to go through it all again next year. Deferring it is to nobody’s benefit. Only 1 D Reilly is signed for next year. Resigning or rebuilding the D will be a monumental task. Nylander’s contract seems to be an inevitable target to trade or Marner cannot be around. Idk where it will lead but we all know it will be another big offseason next year.

If I’m the Leafs, I publicly state that they’re not negotiating with Marner in-season. And you get Shanahan to say it.

All I heard was how that was Marner’s right last year and he was applauded for trying to limit distractions. Well, turnabout is fair play. It’s the Leafs’ turn to dig in. No deal? Sit or trade.
- Deeps27

Why in this case is playing hardball wise?
December is a deadline & the media are the problem analyzing & hyping this to death. Living in a fish bowl comes with the territory.

We don't know if teams actually offersheeted him or not.

Some probably showed interest and maybe Marner told them he isnt interested in leaving Toronto.

Those are two different things..
- LeafGuy89

Many insiders have said teams have and he’s turned them down. Same thing was said about point as well.

CBJ is one that was confirmed to. Marner wants to stay in Toronto.

It’s a negotiation. It’s not supposed to be easy.

I would wager than Point signs first.
- GalacticStone

Not that it’s points concern but TB may want to wait out Marner.

6 years 61m seems good

Member when Dreger said he'd be on a plane June 26th with his agent to sign offersheets? LOL
- RogerRoeper

can't say I remember that one...

but maybe I missed one the Dreger's stupid comments - there are SO MANY to chose from....



how many offer sheets has there been in excess of 10.5M$? (not just for Marner)?

6 years 61m seems good
- AlfieisKing

400 bucks a week sounds better, no food vouchers.

Part of the whole centres get more money argument for Marner's camp is that they never asked to be a winger. Marner played centre his whole life until the Leafs. So his camp would say, well, you guys decided to make me a winger, I didn't, so why should I take a pay cut?

The funniest part of all this is all the Leafs had to do was walk away from defensive disaster Codi Ceci after the hearing and they would have all kinds of flexibility.

Leaf fans predictably hope Marner signs but it is quite possible that a trade could benefit the team. A deal that brings back a proven player and at least one first rounder and other picks just might entice Dubas. Might help avoid these disputes as well
- Hardbalz

If I'm Dubas I call Dallas and go Marner for Heiskanen -

The funniest part of all this is all the Leafs had to do was walk away from defensive disaster Codi Ceci after the hearing and they would have all kinds of flexibility.
- aminnes

You have absolutely zero clue what you are talking about.

He was QO by Ottawa meaning he could sign the QO with Toronto if he chose to.

Plus. It’s one year....Marner’s contract is going to beyond 1 year.

Ffs stop thinking you know more than the man who wrote the CBA for the salary cap.

Why does your whole argument revolve around what Marner wants?

You have never negotiated a thing in your life have you?
- Santo_44

Yawn!! Another useless no value add post. If you don't have something to add, then just move along with your day Mr Peanut Gallery.

Why in this case is playing hardball wise?
December is a deadline & the media are the problem analyzing & hyping this to death. Living in a fish bowl comes with the territory.
- Nighthawk

Because the club holds the leverage. Just like all the other teams whose RFA's didn't get the media hyped offer sheets that were FINALLY coming this off season.

They don't want this to drag into the season - they could have been further ahead if meaningful dialogue occurred in season last year - and to be perfectly honest, this kid and his poop eating grin Agent need a dose of reality. His comparable is not Matthews, by all accounts the Leafs have made more than fair offers to this point on a number of creatively structured deals. Call their bluff.

They (Marner camp) think for the very reason you describe above that MLSE will cave once camp/the season gets close...put it out there and flip the script when he holds out.

PS (edit):

I'm not sure how or why everyone just accepts the fact that RFA's with 3 years service need to be making top dollar. They simply don't have the leverage under the current CBA, and just because Peter Chiarelli screwed it up for the league paying McDavid and Draisaitl like 7 year vets it doesn't mean every GM has to follow suit.

I get analytics; I get the "pay them in their prime" movement, but until the current CBA catches up with this new push for a max deal coming off the ELC teams should take a hard line, and I bet one of these current RFAs ends up being the guinea pig.

You have absolutely zero clue what you are talking about.

He was QO by Ottawa meaning he could sign the QO with Toronto if he chose to.

Plus. It’s one year....Marner’s contract is going to beyond 1 year.

Ffs stop thinking you know more than the man who wrote the CBA for the salary cap.
- Santo_44

I agree, stop thinking you know more than anyone else on here Santo_44.

Because the club holds the leverage. Just like all the other teams whose RFA's didn't get the media hyped offer sheets that were FINALLY coming this off season.

They don't want this to drag into the season - they could have been further ahead if meaningful dialogue occurred in season last year - and to be perfectly honest, this kid and his poop eating grin Agent need a dose of reality. His comparable is not Matthews, by all accounts the Leafs have made more than fair offers to this point on a number of creatively structured deals. Call their bluff.

They (Marner camp) think for the very reason you describe above that MLSE will cave once camp/the season gets close...put it out there and flip the script when he holds out.
- Deeps27

Wrong. ALL rfa’s are not the same. What leverage did the Leafs have on Matthews?
5/11.6m is in his favour & precedent setting.

I agree, stop thinking you know more than anyone else on here Santo_44.
- JDub76

i know more than everybody here though, does this apply to me to?

Who would you rather have doing the bidding for your team vs the savage agents?


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Part of the whole centres get more money argument for Marner's camp is that they never asked to be a winger. Marner played centre his whole life until the Leafs. So his camp would say, well, you guys decided to make me a winger, I didn't, so why should I take a pay cut?
- aminnes

I don't watch a single minute of junior hockey ever, but I have been lead to believe by others on here that your above statement is false.

From what I understand (feel free to correct me if I am wrong), Marner played more wing in junior than centre.

Edit:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...e-on-toronto-maple-leafs/

Wrong. ALL rfa’s are not the same. What leverage did the Leafs have on Matthews?
5/11.6m is in his favour & precedent setting.
- Nighthawk

Matthews is better than Marner.

Matthews just may have been worth the 4 1st round picks.

Marner isn't.

That's the leverage.

Wrong. ALL rfa’s are not the same. What leverage did the Leafs have on Matthews?
5/11.6m is in his favour & precedent setting.
- Nighthawk

Oh, we're going to play this game. "My hockey opinion is right and yours is wrong!!!!"

The Leafs value Matthews more than Marner. As they should. Plain and simple. For the reasons I edited above I still think that is an overpayment, but it doesn't mean that Marner gets paid just because he sees himself as the equivalent of a 6'3" C that is the best 5-on-5 goal scorer in the NHL, plays a better than average 200' game, has better per game stats AND can grow a kick-ass Narcos mustache.

You have absolutely zero clue what you are talking about.

He was QO by Ottawa meaning he could sign the QO with Toronto if he chose to.

Plus. It’s one year....Marner’s contract is going to beyond 1 year.

Ffs stop thinking you know more than the man who wrote the CBA for the salary cap.
- Santo_44

They didn't even try. They could have at least let Ceci file, and then they could have walked away. The chances were very good. Remember, he saw himself as a 6 million dollar defensemen at last years arbitration.

Matthews is better than Marner.

Matthews just may have been worth the 4 1st round picks.

Marner isn't.

That's the leverage.
- Atomic Wedgie

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