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93Nucks
Vancouver Canucks
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Aug 6 @ 5:20 PM ET
Thanks Carol!
A_SteamingLombardi
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Aug 6 @ 5:20 PM ET
This site needs an IQ test to post here.
93Nucks
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
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Aug 6 @ 5:21 PM ET
Maybe they put Benn right side and OJ on the left after Tanev is gone.

I'd like to move on from the Tree *project*. Thats exactly what he is if he comes over and I think the Canucks are too deep to need to go through getting his speed and thought process up to North American standards all over again(which wasnt a smashing success). His upside is just not enough for me to see it as worth it.

I actually hope a GM bites at him as a sweetener in some deal... it would be dreamy if he was part of a LE package.

- boonerbuck

For me, I think Woo is the successor to Tanev when he is gone.

Hughes-Woo
Edler-Stetcher
Benn-Myers

Maybe?
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Aug 6 @ 5:21 PM ET
Mar wood, bought 3 bottles of the wine you suggested, vey nice. Split two with the wife, she’s going to drink #3. I’m currently mixing ceasar’s with beer
- golfingsince

I'm glad you and your wife enjoyed them. Nice work!

Beer sounds tempting, Mrs. Marwood gave me the green light for day drinking, you have now convinced me, my friend.
A_SteamingLombardi
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Aug 6 @ 5:24 PM ET
Death toll now up to 95 in Dayton
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
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Joined: 10.11.2005

Aug 6 @ 5:24 PM ET
I don't mind if he comes here and plays the 5/6 . He is suppose to be in very good shape this year.

I am not expecting a lot from tree but I am not expecting a lot from Tanev either and Tree would be half the price for two years as Woo develops more

- VANTEL


Tree would not be half the price of OJ. OJ will be a better D that Tryamkin in all likelihood and is a prospect with a lot more upside. Benn plays both sides effectively and it's bottom pairing. It just seems to make more sense.




Marwood
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Aug 6 @ 5:25 PM ET
Your most intelligent response is making fun of people with disabilities, and assuming I live in AZ, am racist, and voted for Trump? Actually, every single one of those assumptions is false, but I do know and love hockey, and my argument against yours is probably the biggest reason Pettersson will struggle!
- Dahlmanyotes

You might want to change your location.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 6 @ 5:27 PM ET
For me, I think Woo is the successor to Tanev when he is gone.

Hughes-Woo
Edler-Stetcher
Benn-Myers

Maybe?

- 93Nucks


I heard an interesting debate on SN650 today about moving Stecher at TDL. I have said a few times I would not pay him anymore than 2.5 for what he brings and would be all for trading him. I don't think he is anywhere near the 4 mil mark IMO.

I would be something like

Hughes ???
Edler Myers
Benn Tryamkin


boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
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Aug 6 @ 5:29 PM ET
For me, I think Woo is the successor to Tanev when he is gone.

Hughes-Woo
Edler-Stetcher
Benn-Myers

Maybe?

- 93Nucks


I'd be surprised if Woo makes the NHL without any pro experience at all beforehand. I doubt he beats out OJ for a job in 2 seasons as well. OJ will get injury call ups this season and be a permanent roster player the following season if not earlier. Trade deadline perhaps...

Woo struggled and was scratched last week in the super series. There's a lot of developing needed with him still.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 6 @ 5:29 PM ET
Tree would not be half the price of OJ. OJ will be a better D that Tryamkin in all likelihood and is a prospect with a lot more upside. Benn plays both sides effectively and it's bottom pairing. It just seems to make more sense.
- boonerbuck



Tree would be about 2.5 Tanev is 4.5 , I never mentioned OJ (not that I recall)
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
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Aug 6 @ 5:30 PM ET
This site needs an IQ test to post here.
- A_SteamingLombardi


135 here. Top 5%
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 6 @ 5:30 PM ET
I'd be surprised if Woo makes the NHL without any pro experience at all beforehand. I doubt he beats out OJ for a job in 2 seasons as well. OJ will get injury call ups this season and be a permanent roster player the following season if not earlier. Trade deadline perhaps...

Woo struggled and was scratched last week in the super series. There's a lot of developing needed with him still.

- boonerbuck



I have Rafferty ahead of Woo right now. I agree with most of what you said here
A_SteamingLombardi
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Aug 6 @ 5:31 PM ET
135 here. Top 5%

- boonerbuck

Got me beat by 4
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
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Aug 6 @ 5:34 PM ET
Tree would be about 2.5 Tanev is 4.5 , I never mentioned OJ (not that I recall)
- VANTEL


We never debated replacing Tanev with Tanev either. I was only pointing out the cheaper replacement for Tanev. I could be wrong with bonuses etc...
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
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Aug 6 @ 5:36 PM ET
Got me beat by 4
- A_SteamingLombardi


Dahlmanyotes failed his IQ test.
93Nucks
Vancouver Canucks
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Joined: 04.04.2018

Aug 6 @ 5:36 PM ET
I heard an interesting debate on SN650 today about moving Stecher at TDL. I have said a few times I would not pay him anymore than 2.5 for what he brings and would be all for trading him. I don't think he is anywhere near the 4 mil mark IMO.

I would be something like

Hughes ???
Edler Myers
Benn Tryamkin

- VANTEL

I guess it depends on where they picture Stetcher long term. I do agree that I wouldn't go to 4 with him.
93Nucks
Vancouver Canucks
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Joined: 04.04.2018

Aug 6 @ 5:37 PM ET
I'd be surprised if Woo makes the NHL without any pro experience at all beforehand. I doubt he beats out OJ for a job in 2 seasons as well. OJ will get injury call ups this season and be a permanent roster player the following season if not earlier. Trade deadline perhaps...

Woo struggled and was scratched last week in the super series. There's a lot of developing needed with him still.

- boonerbuck

Yeah that's fair. I haven't watched a lot of Woo but know he's one of our only right handed shots and that's why I thought he could take Tanev's spot.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
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Joined: 10.11.2005

Aug 6 @ 5:38 PM ET
I guess it depends on where they picture Stetcher long term. I do agree that I wouldn't go to 4 with him.
- 93Nucks


Stetcher and Tanev out after this season... smells like another UFA signing on the right side. Barrie?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 6 @ 5:39 PM ET
We never debated replacing Tanev with Tanev either. I was only pointing out the cheaper replacement for Tanev. I could be wrong with bonuses etc...
- boonerbuck


OJ is LHD ( I know you know)

OJ needs to take big steps this year . He had a lot of issues last year in his own zone.

We need to see how the Comets year develops but I think the top call up right now for the RHD would be Rafferty and on the Left OJ or Sautner
Dahlmanyotes
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 06.15.2015

Aug 6 @ 5:39 PM ET
Pettersson will struggle how exactly?
He now has more talent at his disposal.
Is he similar to all the past rookies or you assume as much?

- Nighthawk


It’s not rocket science, just simple math. League average for shooting percentage is 10%. He shot at 20% last year so unless you think he is a better shooter than Ovechkin/Stamkos/Kessel in their primes then his percentage will drop to the normal range.

Another way of saying this is without puck luck, he would’ve scored 14 goals last year. So do I think he’ll improve on a 14 goal expectation, YES! Do I think he’ll exceed his ridiculously lucky 28 goal performance, heck no!

And even if he did, he plays all offensive shifts, and is supremely sheltered. The top centers in the league go against the other teams top lines and still drive possession and scoring. Pettersson hasn’t had to do that yet.

So tougher competition, combined with a return to a normal shooting percentage guarantees he will struggle to reproduce his results from last year.

Doesn’t mean he sucks...doesn’t mean every team wouldn’t love to have him, cause he’s great, high ceiling, cheap, etc. All it means is he is not a top 20 center and he’s got some SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT ahead of him if he wants to be.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
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Aug 6 @ 5:43 PM ET
Yeah that's fair. I haven't watched a lot of Woo but know he's one of our only right handed shots and that's why I thought he could take Tanev's spot.
- 93Nucks




Benn is quite capable as a righty and the Canucks have prospects further ahead for lefties. Thats as it stands today. There is going to be roster movement between now and the TDL/following season.
A_SteamingLombardi
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Aug 6 @ 5:43 PM ET
It’s not rocket science, just simple math. League average for shooting percentage is 10%. He shot at 20% last year so unless you think he is a better shooter than Ovechkin/Stamkos/Kessel in their primes then his percentage will drop to the normal range.

Another way of saying this is without puck luck, he would’ve scored 14 goals last year. So do I think he’ll improve on a 14 goal expectation, YES! Do I think he’ll exceed his ridiculously lucky 28 goal performance, heck no!

And even if he did, he plays all offensive shifts, and is supremely sheltered. The top centers in the league go against the other teams top lines and still drive possession and scoring. Pettersson hasn’t had to do that yet.

So tougher competition, combined with a return to a normal shooting percentage guarantees he will struggle to reproduce his results from last year.

Doesn’t mean he sucks...doesn’t mean every team wouldn’t love to have him, cause he’s great, high ceiling, cheap, etc. All it means is he is not a top 20 center and he’s got some SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT ahead of him if he wants to be.

- Dahlmanyotes

73?
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Aug 6 @ 5:46 PM ET
OJ is LHD ( I know you know)

OJ needs to take big steps this year . He had a lot of issues last year in his own zone.

We need to see how the Comets year develops but I think the top call up right now for the RHD would be Rafferty and on the Left OJ or Sautner

- VANTEL


Ok, you may have only skimmed my posts. I never suggested moving OJ over... I suggested moving Benn over and filling in the left hole with OJ who I think is the more worth while project effort for our top 6 than Tree who won't even agree to be sent down for conditioning before bolting for Russia and will less likely be up to par with NA speed. Tanev is here right now so we are not talking about this summer either...
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 6 @ 5:47 PM ET
Ok, you may have only skimmed my posts. I never suggested moving OJ over... I suggested moving Benn over and filling in the left hole with OJ who I think is the more worth while project effort for our top 6 than Tree who won't even agree to be sent down for conditioning before bolting for Russia and will less likely be up to par with NA speed. Tanev is here right now so we are not talking about this summer either...
- boonerbuck



Tryamkin plays both sides
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Aug 6 @ 5:50 PM ET
Tryamkin plays both sides
- VANTEL



Interesting. Moot as (frank) but interesting none the less.
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