In my opinion, have to look at the big picture. First of all, not understanding why everyone is so quick to move Haag. He has his faults but he is still young. He is a cost controlled 3rd pair NHL defenseman who plays with an edge to his game. He is still young and there is plenty of room for refinement in his game. A steady player who can develop into a set him and forget him 3rd pair defenseman has value. Morin, we don't know but he has monster physical tools. I don't want to give up on that.

The pick better be pretty low, like a 5th or lower. I don't even think he's worth that alone.

Lastly, where is he going to play and with who? Is he good enough to play top 6 on this team? I'd say no. Do we want him playing with Patrick on a 3rd line? Patrick is struggling to break out on his own. So let's put another struggling young player with him who has a questionable work ethic and questionable hockey sense. If Puljujarvi doesn't take significant steps forward offensively, with his game lacking anything else, can you see Vigneualt giving him ice time?

I understand taking a chance on a player, but where is the fit? We have younger prospects that will need a spot that according to reports, aren't far away. I don't see the fit let alone that I think he's got one and half feet out the NHL door on his way to Europe.
- MJL

the big picture doesnt have haag in it. my bad he is still young. This will be his 6th pro season coming up in NA. Not sure how much more refinement you think is there.

the big picture doesnt have haag in it. my bad he is still young. This will be his 6th pro season coming up in NA. Not sure how much more refinement you think is there.
- daryl stanley

If Jake can learn to shoot a decade + in then the sky is the limit for Hagg!

If Jake can learn to shoot a decade + in then the sky is the limit for Hagg!
- hereticpride

Lol

the big picture doesnt have haag in it. my bad he is still young. This will be his 6th pro season coming up in NA. Not sure how much more refinement you think is there.
- daryl stanley

He's improved across the board in surface metrics: doubled his offensive output from the season before, increased his blocks by 60%, and even increased his already outlandish hits totals.

The underlying #'s are still disturbing, but there's room to grow there. He's not some plug who's devoid of talent, or some underwhelming finished product like you seem to think.

He's improved across the board in surface metrics: doubled his offensive output from the season before, increased his blocks by 60%, and even increased his already outlandish hits totals.

The underlying #'s are still disturbing, but there's room to grow there. He's not some plug who's devoid of talent, or some underwhelming finished product like you seem to think.
- Tomahawk

He is a dime a dozen bottom pairing dman
If he turns into anything more I will admit I was wrong.

He's improved across the board in surface metrics: doubled his offensive output from the season before, increased his blocks by 60%, and even increased his already outlandish hits totals.

The underlying #'s are still disturbing, but there's room to grow there. He's not some plug who's devoid of talent, or some underwhelming finished product like you seem to think.
- Tomahawk

The idea that we think he is the most expendable shouldn’t indicate he is not a quality NHL D and still young

The idea that we think he is the most expendable shouldn’t indicate he is not a quality NHL D and still young
- wcorvette

I think the idea that "we" think he is expendable is the issue.

I think the idea that "we" think he is expendable is the issue.
- MJL

He is sorely needed on the backend. Not playing him or trading him will be a mistake. Will bite the flyers in the ass at some point

I think the idea that "we" think he is expendable is the issue.
- MJL

I get it, I don’t think most think he is worthless, just a numbers game. That numbers game was going to happen sooner or later with Hagg.

I get it, I don’t think most think he is worthless, just a numbers game. That numbers game was going to happen sooner or later with Hagg.
- wcorvette

Gets you right back to making the same mistake. There is no surplus. Myers, although we think he's going to be very good has played what, 30 games in the NHL? We think that Morin can play in the NHL but we don't know for sure. You need at least 7 NHL defenseman. So where is the numbers game? Braun is signed for just this year and is over 30. Niskanen is over 30 and signed for a couple of years. There is an expansion draft coming up.

Gets you right back to making the same mistake. There is no surplus. Myers, although we think he's going to be very good has played what, 30 games in the NHL? We think that Morin can play in the NHL but we don't know for sure. You need at least 7 NHL defenseman. So where is the numbers game? Braun is signed for just this year and is over 30. Niskanen is over 30 and signed for a couple of years. There is an expansion draft coming up.
- MJL

why I said sooner or later, Fletcher needs to manage the assets correctly, I don't care if we have to carry 8 d, do that instead of selling low on Hagg or Morin

why I said sooner or later, Fletcher needs to manage the assets correctly, I don't care if we have to carry 8 d, do that instead of selling low on Hagg or Morin
- wcorvette

There isn't a possibility of Haag as a long term player for the Flyers moving forward?

Gets you right back to making the same mistake. There is no surplus. Myers, although we think he's going to be very good has played what, 30 games in the NHL? We think that Morin can play in the NHL but we don't know for sure. You need at least 7 NHL defenseman. So where is the numbers game? Braun is signed for just this year and is over 30. Niskanen is over 30 and signed for a couple of years. There is an expansion draft coming up.
- MJL

Over 30 they are done like dinner. Haag is Vital to the future of the d Corp. play morin no matter what as need to know what he can do

There isn't a possibility of Haag as a long term player for the Flyers moving forward?
- MJL

always possible. I love the Morin but he still has a lot to prove, Myers also. You can always use a 3rd pair cheap contract D man. do I think it is more likely the Flyers trade him at some point? Yes. I think they have enough in the system and on the roster that they will. It might not be this year but 1-3 years I think he is moved on. Hagg still has a chance to come into camp and show more, things can change

always possible. I love the Morin but he still has a lot to prove, Myers also. You can always use a 3rd pair cheap contract D man. do I think it is more likely the Flyers trade him at some point? Yes. I think they have enough in the system and on the roster that they will. It might not be this year but 1-3 years I think he is moved on. Hagg still has a chance to come into camp and show more, things can change
- wcorvette

I'm not against trading Haag if it is for a move that improves the team. I'm against the narrative that we don't need him or that he is part of a surplus.

I know you say this because you don't really care for Hagg or Morin....but Puljujarvi is just that bad too.


That being said, I would do a Hagg for Puljujarvi deal in a heartbeat.

I still think Morin is going to be a player in this league.
- MBFlyerfan

Yeah, totally agree, I would absolutely do it for Hagg, but would say no for Morin. I think we've seen what Hagg is, what he'll always be, it's worth it to see if Puljujarvi has anything to give the offense.

Morin I feel like still will be a solid NHL defenseman whenever his body allows him to be

ok chuckie you're up go get us Risto

Ghost + for Risto
- 2Real

no thanks, pass

Yeah, totally agree, I would absolutely do it for Hagg, but would say no for Morin. I think we've seen what Hagg is, what he'll always be, it's worth it to see if Puljujarvi has anything to give the offense.

Morin I feel like still will be a solid NHL defenseman whenever his body allows him to be
- sjk540

I think Morin has more potential upside due to his physical tools but Haag is already an established NHL defenseman who still has room to grow as a player.

Where does Puljujarvi fit in the Flyers lineup?

Yeah, totally agree, I would absolutely do it for Hagg, but would say no for Morin. I think we've seen what Hagg is, what he'll always be, it's worth it to see if Puljujarvi has anything to give the offense.

Morin I feel like still will be a solid NHL defenseman whenever his body allows him to be
- sjk540

I think Hagg has some room to grow, but I don't think he's ever going to be a top-4 dman, and I'm okay with that. I hope I'm wrong and he wins 10 consecutive Norris Trophies with the Flyers.

I'm okay with trading him, but not for an unknown who's 1 bad year away from being out of the league.

I think Morin has more potential upside due to his physical tools but Haag is already an established NHL defenseman who still has room to grow as a player.

Where does Puljujarvi fit in the Flyers lineup?
- MJL

My opinion is that Hagg is what he is, nothing more than we've already seen from him with a slightly lower floor than we've seen. To me, that is expendable to see to see if JP would benefit from a change of scenery.

Morin however I believe the upside is still there to hold onto and therefore not worth the gamble to see what JP has with a change of scenery.

I think Hagg has some room to grow, but I don't think he's ever going to be a top-4 dman, and I'm okay with that. I hope I'm wrong and he wins 10 consecutive Norris Trophies with the Flyers.

I'm okay with trading him, but not for an unknown who's 1 bad year away from being out of the league.
- jmatchett383

The main point is that we all just have varying views of Hagg. from worse than he's shown, to basically being what he is, to thinking there is a little more, to being a solid but not spectacular guy. Whatever your opinion is, will make you differ on what you'd wanna happen to him obviously, i just think we've seen his best, and to me it is worth it to see what JP would bring to this lineup or this system in general.

I'm not against trading Haag if it is for a move that improves the team. I'm against the narrative that we don't need him or that he is part of a surplus.
- MJL

not a surplus, but when you look at the team and the farm system you can see him being expendable. That said he is an asset and has value whether he stays or goes...

My opinion is that Hagg is what he is, nothing more than we've already seen from him with a slightly lower floor than we've seen. To me, that is expendable to see to see if JP would benefit from a change of scenery.

Morin however I believe the upside is still there to hold onto and therefore not worth the gamble to see what JP has with a change of scenery.
- sjk540

So there is no possibility that Haag can refine parts of his game and become a better bottom pair defender? Become a better penalty killer? Learn to move the puck more efficiently?

The main point is that we all just have varying views of Hagg. from worse than he's shown, to basically being what he is, to thinking there is a little more, to being a solid but not spectacular guy. Whatever your opinion is, will make you differ on what you'd wanna happen to him obviously, i just think we've seen his best, and to me it is worth it to see what JP would bring to this lineup or this system in general.
- sjk540

Where would Puljujarvi fit in the Flyers lineup?

not a surplus, but when you look at the team and the farm system you can see him being expendable. That said he is an asset and has value whether he stays or goes...
- wcorvette

I don't see him as a player that is expendable.