Hagelin was a god at driving play though. Hagelin always had the better teammates but I’ll be thoroughly shocked if Tanev is as good defensively as prime Hagelin was.
- Victoro311

I've been thinking that Tanev is a poor man's Hagelin. Definitely more physical but probably a lesser player in most other categories. Scoring is probably about the same.

I've been thinking that Tanev is a poor man's Hagelin. Definitely more physical but probably a lesser player in most other categories. Scoring is probably about the same.
- Hockey66

Except Hags has a 2.75 cap hit and Tanev has a 3.5.

It isn’t.
- Feds91Stammer

I think it is. I think anything someone can be better at than someone else means there's skill required. Some players are far superior at hitting than others and I dont mean just the big bone crushing ones. There's more to hitting than that.

Hitting in the NHL, and effectively, at the crazy fast pace they're playing at takes a great deal of timing, coordination and smarts. Timing, coordination and smarts could certainly be seen as relevant to skill(s).

I've been thinking that Tanev is a poor man's Hagelin. Definitely more physical but probably a lesser player in most other categories. Scoring is probably about the same.
- Hockey66

His pts per 60 is expected to be very similar to 15-16, 16-17 Hags

Except Hags has a 2.75 cap hit and Tanev has a 3.5.
- MattStrat

Yeah, contracts aside, just comparing the players. I was also kind of thinking Tanev now vs. prime Hags, but it probably still holds true. Sadly, they will both be the same age when their respective current contracts end. I'm guessing Tanev's style of play will cause him to break down earlier than Hags.

His pts per 60 is expected to be very similar to 15-16, 16-17 Hags
- burgh4life87

There's no way those two time periods were similar...I guess if you include his time with the Ducks in 15-16 (12 points in 43 games) it might bring his pts per 60 down to the level it dropped to in 16-17 (22 points in 61 games).

HBK was on fire to end the 15-16. He had 27 points in 37 games after joining the Pens that season...and it carried over into playoffs...that kinda production from him never to be seen again...

His pts per 60 is expected to be very similar to 15-16, 16-17 Hags
- burgh4life87

Huh, that's kind of surprising. But then, there's probably a very liberal definition of what a "hit" is.

There's no way those two time periods were similar...I guess if you include his time with the Ducks in 15-16 (12 points in 43 games) it might bring his pts per 60 down to the level it dropped to in 16-17 (22 points in 61 games).

HBK was on fire to end the 15-16. He had 27 points in 37 games after joining the Pens that season...and it carried over into playoffs...that kinda production from him never to be seen again...
- MattStrat

The "Kessel Effect." I'm assuming the same holds true for Bones.

And they almost never lead to possession whether they are big or small.
- Feds91Stammer

When you say possession, are you talking about your team being in control of the puck, or are we talking shot attempt differentials?

The "Kessel Effect." I'm assuming the same holds true for Bones.
- Hockey66

Well...the next season started with HBK...and HBK was tried throughout the season here and there but they chewed. Just weren't good together.

Huh, that's kind of surprising. But then, there's probably a very liberal definition of what a "hit" is.
- Hockey66

The first time I read his sentence I thought he wrote "hits" too...but he's actually talking about points per 60.

The first time I read his sentence I thought he wrote "hits" too...but he's actually talking about points per 60.
- MattStrat

Haha, you're right. That's funny.

Wow, you my friend are not on the Pens band wagon, nor will you be invited over to Jim Rutherford's house for dinner anytime soon, you paint a very bleak picture for the Penquins as a team.

When you say possession, are you talking about your team being in control of the puck, or are we talking shot attempt differentials?
- jmatchett383

Possessing the puck moron.

Spittin' Chiclets with Crosby posted today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzZxLTUMr00

There's no way those two time periods were similar...I guess if you include his time with the Ducks in 15-16 (12 points in 43 games) it might bring his pts per 60 down to the level it dropped to in 16-17 (22 points in 61 games).

HBK was on fire to end the 15-16. He had 27 points in 37 games after joining the Pens that season...and it carried over into playoffs...that kinda production from him never to be seen again...
- MattStrat

You are right, it was 16-17 to 17-18 that was around a low 1.5 pts per 60. He had a 2.88 in his short stint with us post trade in the 15-16 season. My bad

Possessing the puck moron.
- Feds91Stammer

Would you like a nice glass of shutthe(frank)up with that?

I agree with this and I think the same holds true for zone exits as well - sometimes just clearing the zone instead of trying to skate it out is the better play.
- Hockey66

It's only the better play if you're going to turn the puck over. That doesn't mean it's not a bad play, but I can't give you one situation in which it would be better to dump the puck rather than hold it..unless you have a high chance to turn it over.

It's only the better play if you're going to turn the puck over. That doesn't mean it's not a bad play, but I can't give you one situation in which it would be better to dump the puck rather than hold it..unless you have a high chance to turn it over.
- Blackstrom2

Are you talking about entries or exits? I can think of multiple scenarios for either.

Are you talking about entries or exits? I can think of multiple scenarios for either.
- Hockey66

Explain to me the scenarios where it would be better to potentially lose possession of the puck rather than keep it, other than weighing the potential to turn it over/keeping it.