Todd would it make any sense for the Devils to try and move Zacha to the Flames for Frolik and a pick ?

I know we are kind of past the point of stocking picks but we have thrown a lot of 2nd rounders away recently. I suppose Frolik would be able to step in right away to replace Zacha so it wouldnt be a move for the future but just keep things flowing smoothly.

The other question is would Zacha have to be signed first and is his value at a place where we could move him for Frolik + a second rounder? Or are you comfortable continuing forward with Pavs and see if there is more to squeeze out?
- Devilish4

No

Love that ppl think we literally cant trade Zacha lmao.. Just far to important of a piece... I doubt teams could even submit a proposal that equals the value Pavs brings....

seriously I love pavs but dont act like he is Jack hughes. He absolutely could be moved and right now there is a logjam at center so if we can get value for a player rapidly being passed on the depth chart and hasnt exactly met expectations you would be stupid not to.

Its just figuring out what the right value would be coming back...
- Devilish4

Never said he was Jack Hughes, but defensive centers are a really important piece on championship caliber teams. And from what Zacha has shown us, defense is his specialty.

With Nico and Jack, there is no need for Zacha to turn into a 60+pt player people were hoping when he was drafted.

I doubt the devils could get a player that would help right now and in the future for what Zacha provides.

Coleman has quickly become one of my favorite players. He makes things happen and is fun to watch. (frank) all this trade him talk. I think he is a great part of this team and will be for a few years.
- TRDevil

Coleman wood and zacha are my boys everyone wants to trade them and hope some no names can do what they do

You cant offer up a trade without it meaning you hate that player apparently.

I like pavs and have no problem one way or the other just making conveersation.

Some of you respond so negatively to it instead of just throwing out their hypotheticals its just no thats the worse thing we could do ( when we are speaking about a 3rd liner lol )

Ive mentioned it and will again I like pavs but thats doesnt mean there is no other player like him in the league or that he cant be traded because what he brings is to important to us ?

We have Mikey Mcleod who isnt going to develop into an offensive player and their are others that are better suited to beijg defensive forwards coming up that its not like we have nothing like him in the cupboards.

Pretty much every player we took outside of hughes this past draft was a safe two way pick who is going to be strong all over the ice.

Im honestly not as worried about not having Zacha as some of you if we cant get some decent pieces we dont have back.

You cant offer up a trade without it meaning you hate that player apparently.

I like pavs and have no problem one way or the other just making conveersation.

Some of you respond so negatively to it instead of just throwing out their hypotheticals its just no thats the worse thing we could do ( when we are speaking about a 3rd liner lol )

Ive mentioned it and will again I like pavs but thats doesnt mean there is no other player like him in the league or that he cant be traded because what he brings is to important to us ?

We have Mikey Mcleod who isnt going to develop into an offensive player and their are others that are better suited to beijg defensive forwards coming up that its not like we have nothing like him in the cupboards.

Pretty much every player we took outside of hughes this past draft was a safe two way pick who is going to be strong all over the ice.

Im honestly not as worried about not having Zacha as some of you if we cant get some decent pieces we dont have back.
- Devilish4

I just don't get why the devils need to make more trades. Majority of the roster is young and could be kept together for years. This would hopefully build camaraderie and boost the teams moral.

Yeah, some piece will need to be filled in with trades and free agents. But for now, can we just see what we have with the current roster before we start saying trade him for picks?

Yea I really hope nj doesn't trade pav..hes a young player give him at least 2 yrs then it will be more obvious what he is..i personally like him he's a rare player that's as good as trav defensively (arguably best pker in league last yr no joke!!) But also has underated skill..can really shoot and pass equally well

Coleman would be better if he was taller.

I don't get why people want a trade so badly. All these proposals are either ridiculously one sided or bringing in some mediocre player that isn't an upgrade.

Coleman would be better if he was taller.
- Pomegrant

It would totally screw up his center of gravity... but if he got stronger and heavier but not slower, YES!

Or if he became bionic. Like $6M dollar man Bionic but without the associated noise.

Or plane crash.

You cant offer up a trade without it meaning you hate that player apparently.

I like pavs and have no problem one way or the other just making conveersation.

Some of you respond so negatively to it instead of just throwing out their hypotheticals its just no thats the worse thing we could do ( when we are speaking about a 3rd liner lol )

Ive mentioned it and will again I like pavs but thats doesnt mean there is no other player like him in the league or that he cant be traded because what he brings is to important to us ?

We have Mikey Mcleod who isnt going to develop into an offensive player and their are others that are better suited to beijg defensive forwards coming up that its not like we have nothing like him in the cupboards.

Pretty much every player we took outside of hughes this past draft was a safe two way pick who is going to be strong all over the ice.

Im honestly not as worried about not having Zacha as some of you if we cant get some decent pieces we dont have back.
- Devilish4

Don't take it personal, years of ridiculous shenanigans like having people like Jordin Tootoo on the 1st line (remember that) have made all of us Devils fans jaded af.

It would totally screw up his center of gravity... but if he got stronger and heavier but not slower, YES!

Or if he became bionic. Like $6M dollar man Bionic but without the associated noise.

Or plane crash.
- Queenie_5_hole

no way! the noise would be dope.

no way! the noise would be dope.
- TRDevil

When he had the puck, sure. Especially taking shots.

Full time it could get old real fast.

I don't get why people want a trade so badly. All these proposals are either ridiculously one sided or bringing in some mediocre player that isn't an upgrade.
- rmdevil313

Also don't understand why we have to trade Zacha every day just because he didn't live up to what is expected of a sixth overall. He's a legit NHL player who is one of the better defensive players on the team who can move up in the lineup when there are injuries and he doesn't cost a ton, but let's be in a rush to move him when we would get pennies on the dollar.

Also don't understand why we have to trade Zacha every day just because he didn't live up to what is expected of a sixth overall. He's a legit NHL player who is one of the better defensive players on the team who can move up in the lineup when there are injuries and he doesn't cost a ton, but let's be in a rush to move him when we would get pennies on the dollar.
- smellmyfinger

nah, I think Zacha should be killed for his inability to score goals.

nah, I think Zacha should be killed for his inability to score goals.
- Pomegrant

This isn't Vancouver. No killing anyone.

Cut off part of an ear and tell him we will take bigger cuts if he doesn’t improve. We aren’t animals.

It would totally screw up his center of gravity... but if he got stronger and heavier but not slower, YES!

Or if he became bionic. Like $6M dollar man Bionic but without the associated noise.

Or plane crash.
- Queenie_5_hole

Quiet. Size does not have any impact on what a player brings to the table.. just ask Chara! Smaller players have been skating through him for years! If only he was shorter..

Also don't understand why we have to trade Zacha every day just because he didn't live up to what is expected of a sixth overall. He's a legit NHL player who is one of the better defensive players on the team who can move up in the lineup when there are injuries and he doesn't cost a ton, but let's be in a rush to move him when we would get pennies on the dollar.
- smellmyfinger

I think its kind of ridiculous that we're already deciding this is what zacha is and all he ever will be. He turned 22 in April!!! 22! He could still develop into a 60pt, 2-way forward. Sure, he was probably picked too early, but he has barely played any games as a 22yr old. I think its more likely than not he gets better at the whole nhl level of hockey thing.

I think its kind of ridiculous that we're already deciding this is what zacha is and all he ever will be. He turned 22 in April!!! 22! He could still develop into a 60pt, 2-way forward. Sure, he was probably picked too early, but he has barely played any games as a 22yr old. I think its more likely than not he gets better at the whole nhl level of hockey thing.
- MartysBetter88

And really what’s the big deal? We’ve (hopefully) got our 1C and 2C in Nico and Jack. The pressure is off Zacha because he shouldn’t have to play 2C moving forward. He is a legit NHLer and I think with the new roster flexibility the coaches can put him in a better spot.

If he takes another step forward that’s great.
If not it is what it is. Enjoy having a damn fine defensive center and penalty killer.

And really what’s the big deal? We’ve (hopefully) got our 1C and 2C in Nico and Jack. The pressure is off Zacha because he shouldn’t have to play 2C moving forward. He is a legit NHLer and I think with the new roster flexibility the coaches can put him in a better spot.

If he takes another step forward that’s great.
If not it is what it is. Enjoy having a damn fine defensive center and penalty killer.
- Queenie_5_hole

yea that's fine, but I'd rather have a defensive center that can also put up 60+ points on a yearly basis lol

yea that's fine, but I'd rather have a defensive center that can also put up 60+ points on a yearly basis lol
- MartysBetter88

... like five of those exist. One more if you count Nico Hischier next year.

Most #1 centers simply outscore their 200ft game gap.

... like five of those exist. One more if you count Nico Hischier next year.

Most #1 centers simply outscore their 200ft game gap.
- archromat

Statistically, Nico is currently a 52pt player over 82 games for his whole career. Pretty impressive for a 20 year old who still has some growth and peak years ahead.
Last thing I read had career peak at 22-25 with a typical best year at 23.

Statistically, Nico is currently a 52pt player over 82 games for his whole career. Pretty impressive for a 20 year old who still has some growth and peak years ahead.
Last thing I read had career peak at 22-25 with a typical best year at 23.
- Queenie_5_hole

Nico is gonna blow it up this year. I'm excited about him the most on the team. This kid drives hard to the net, battles on the boards, makes slick Elias passes, scores great goals, plays defense. He will be our captain soon.

Any chance the Stars would take Coleman, Smith, and Vatanen for Heiskanen?
Just kidding people. There's no way in hell Dallas would trade Heiskanen.

But seriously, do you think the Devils can trade Coleman to Dallas for a 2nd rounder? Coleman goes back home and the Devils free up space for a bubble forward.

Hall-Hischier-Palmieri
Gusev-Hughes-Bratt (worried they're a bit on the small side but plenty of upside)
Boqvist-Zajac-Simmonds
Wood-Zacha-Anderson (Rooney, Bastian, McLeod)

I still think the Devils can still move Wood and Zacha and field a decent 4th line of
Hayden-Rooney- one of Bastian/Anderson/McLeod
(Have Speers, Baddock, or Seney as the extra forward(s))

I'm not sure what the Devils can get for Zacha and Wood.

Even if Hall leaves the team the following year, it's a setback but the Devils can see if they have something with:

Gusev-Hughes-Palmieri
Bratt-Hischier-Bastian
Boqvist-McLeod-Anderson
Rooney-Zajac-Hayden
- CardiffGiant

We would be wise to consider trading Coleman. He had a great year on a great contract, and his value is at an all-time high. He is a touch older than most players, and our LW is clustered. We could certainly move him paired with Vats for some upgrade at a weaker position.

P.S. your third line looks extremely risky. Anderson is under 0.5ppg in the AHL, and Mcleod was just over. Add Boq to the mix and this is a real unproven line.

Nico is gonna blow it up this year. I'm excited about him the most on the team. This kid drives hard to the net, battles on the boards, makes slick Elias passes, scores great goals, plays defense. He will be our captain soon.
- Leniwm1

IF things go well for this team it would seem realistic for Nico to have a better year then he did last year with little help in the lineup. Realistically, this team has a lot of potential but we need many things to go our way:

1) Hall stays healthy and stays in NJ.
2) Hughes transitions into the NHL as seamlessly as Hischier did.
3) Gusev can adjust from the KHL to the NHL
4) Simmonds regains some form and is really healthy.
5) 2nd Half Cory is the real Cory and if not Blackwood is Legit.
6) PK bounces back.

None of these seems like a big stretch but we will see how it all pans out.

There is no denying this team has a lot of potential and a lot of talent now.
Very exciting.

We would be wise to consider trading Coleman. He had a great year on a great contract, and his value is at an all-time high. He is a touch older than most players, and our LW is clustered. We could certainly move him paired with Vats for some upgrade at a weaker position.

P.S. your third line looks extremely risky. Anderson is under 0.5ppg in the AHL, and Mcleod was just over. Add Boq to the mix and this is a real unproven line.
- bikeguy99

Dude, he has Gusev and Hughes on the first line when neither has played a minute of NHL. He has Hall, Coleman, Wood, Zacha and Simmonds out of the lineup for fringe players.

It's a complete goat (frank).

Gusev-Hughes-Palmieri
Bratt-Hischier-Bastian
Boqvist-McLeod-Anderson
Rooney-Zajac-Hayden