Braun again. Sheesh.

Please....


https://www.hockeyfeed.co...-training-camp?ref=Brutus

Please....


https://www.hockeyfeed.co...-training-camp?ref=Brutus
- wcorvette

Wait, is this a joke site?

Wait, is this a joke site?
- jmatchett383

ill bite, is it?

ill bite, is it?
- wcorvette

No, I'm serious. Is it a joke site? Stories like the Oilers players saying they won't play with Puljujarvi seems like something from hockey's National Enquirer.

No, I'm serious. Is it a joke site? Stories like the Oilers players saying they won't play with Puljujarvi seems like something from hockey's National Enquirer.
- jmatchett383

could be, it is that time of the year to take any hockey info. I don't pay attention enough to the site to know either way.

No, I'm serious. Is it a joke site? Stories like the Oilers players saying they won't play with Puljujarvi seems like something from hockey's National Enquirer.
- jmatchett383

It's a clickbait site, I usually see a lot of like flyers feed or hockeyfeed stuff pop up on facebook. Sometimes they do repeat things from reputable sources though.

Cant wait for Chris Stewart as 3RW.

Man the phils are (frank)ed

Wait, is this a joke site?
- jmatchett383

Well you come here for fake news

Because three teams -- including a division rival-- all asked the Sharks about Braun's availability. Thus, SJ got their ask.
- bmeltzer

Let someone else overpay

Flyers are interested in Hoffman? Who is he worth in trade and do we want his baggage?

The Flyers traded back into the second round and then moved higher than they initially would have picked. There is nothing to complain about. In net effect, they traded down three spots (11 to 14) in round 1 and expended a pair of third-round picks for a 20-min defenseman. Wanna venture a guess how many other teams would do the equivalent given the cap space?
- bmeltzer

If we're going to go the net effect route than we also have to include the dead cap space for 20/21 to be able to fit in Braun. I'm surer other teams would've done it but every team is in a different spot. The question is should the Flyers have done it. I come out on the no side of the ledger.

Yes, he believes they do not have anything to do with each other, which of course they are technically two separate transactions made at two separate times. I've discussed with him ad nauseum that I truly believe Fletcher had made a proactive plan after trading a 2nd and 3rd away, that he wanted to try and make a trade (if it was the right situation) and recoup a 2nd round pick, due to specifically trading away the original 2nd round pick to SJ. He does not agree with me, but I think in the end you look at the cost of Braun as two 3rd's and moving back from 11 to 14.
- sjk540

How many degrees of separation are you allowed?

Lindblom can play both sides equally well.

Flyers are interested in Hoffman? Who is he worth in trade and do we want his baggage?
- bmoreflyer

I would love hoffman honestly. As long as his girlfriend doesnt pick fights with people and cause drama hes a perfect addition to what this team needs.

Flyers are interested in Hoffman? Who is he worth in trade and do we want his baggage?
- bmoreflyer

they probably ask for Ghost

but considering that he is basically a 1 year rental that i doubt we will be able to afford to keep, i would counter with Hagg + a 2nd. if that's not enough for them then just walk away.

How many degrees of separation are you allowed?
- MJL

in this case 2, I don't think there is a blanket number or unspoken limit of degrees of separation however...

If we're going to go the net effect route than we also have to include the dead cap space for 20/21 to be able to fit in Braun. I'm surer other teams would've done it but every team is in a different spot. The question is should the Flyers have done it. I come out on the no side of the ledger.
- MJL

In terms of the dead cap space though, can't you say the buyout of AMac and Shlemko could have been made in order to fit Niskanen's salary and had nothing to do with Braun's salary? Braun could have been the target all along (even though this was the second of the deals to happen) and we were just waiting on SJ to make up their mind between their 3 suitors for Braun, while Niskanen for Gudas happened much quicker (as well as with some retained salary on the Flyers part), in which case the dead space belongs to the Niskanen deal and not the Braun deal.

Another viewpoint could be that the dead space can be equally split between the two as Fletcher knew he would be adding higher AAV players and regardless of who he brought on (say if Braun didnt work out and he went for a second target, or Niskanen didn't work out due to not agreeing to all of the retained salary and we made another trade involving Gudas), he knew he would need that cap space.

so many possibilities and unfortunately no one will ever know the true answer. But who doesn't love a little spec from time to time.

in this case 2, I don't think there is a blanket number or unspoken limit of degrees of separation however...
- sjk540

So if they include a player that they picked with one of those drat picks down the road, that becomes part of the trade also? Seems as though it all depends on what narrative you want to float.

In terms of the dead cap space though, can't you say the buyout of AMac and Shlemko could have been made in order to fit Niskanen's salary and had nothing to do with Braun's salary? Braun could have been the target all along (even though this was the second of the deals to happen) and we were just waiting on SJ to make up their mind between their 3 suitors for Braun, while Niskanen for Gudas happened much quicker (as well as with some retained salary on the Flyers part), in which case the dead space belongs to the Niskanen deal and not the Braun deal.

You crack me up with applying different standards to suit your narrative. I can do the same thing with the deal to acquire the other 2nd round pick and say that it had to do with who was available and what team was looking to move in the draft and call it completely independent of the Braun deal. You however think that Fletcher has a crystal ball and could foresee recouping a 2nd which changes the actual cost of acquiring Braun.

Another viewpoint could be that the dead space can be equally split between the two as Fletcher knew he would be adding higher AAV players and regardless of who he brought on (say if Braun didnt work out and he went for a second target, or Niskanen didn't work out due to not agreeing to all of the retained salary and we made another trade involving Gudas), he knew he would need that cap space.

so many possibilities and unfortunately no one will ever know the true answer. But who doesn't love a little spec from time to time.
- sjk540

You crack me up with applying different standards to suit your narrative. I can do the same thing with the deal to acquire the other 2nd round pick and say that it had to do with who was available and what team was looking to move in the draft and call it completely independent of the Braun deal. You however think that Fletcher has a crystal ball and could foresee recouping a 2nd which changes the actual cost of acquiring Braun.

Thanks for proving my point!

they probably ask for Ghost

but considering that he is basically a 1 year rental that i doubt we will be able to afford to keep, i would counter with Hagg + a 2nd. if that's not enough for them then just walk away.
- Mordecai

Even if they could make that deal they'd have to make some kind of other deal to get the cap space they'd need once Konency and Provorov are signed.

Even if they could make that deal they'd have to make some kind of other deal to get the cap space they'd need once Konency and Provorov are signed.
- MJL

yeee it doesnt really make sense on our end

If we're going to go the net effect route than we also have to include the dead cap space for 20/21 to be able to fit in Braun. I'm surer other teams would've done it but every team is in a different spot. The question is should the Flyers have done it. I come out on the no side of the ledger.
- MJL

You don’t even have to go to the net effect route. Trading a 2nd and 3rd pick for 1 year of poopty Braun was just stupid. It had zero to do with trading back 3 spots in round 1 to take York and pick up a 2nd. Had we not traded for Braun fletch could’ve traded back into round 1 if he wanted with those picks or traded up in 2nd round as it played out to take brink and also still had another pick in a few spots. Time will tell if those picks in early 2nd round hit. If they do then trading for Braun was useless. If not then it’s a wash

You don’t even have to go to the net effect route. Trading a 2nd and 3rd pick for 1 year of poopty Braun was just stupid. It had zero to do with trading back 3 spots in round 1 to take York and pick up a 2nd. Had we not traded for Braun fletch could’ve traded back into round 1 if he wanted with those picks or traded up in 2nd round as it played out to take brink and also still had another pick in a few spots. Time will tell if those picks in early 2nd round hit. If they do then trading for Braun was useless. If not then it’s a wash
- SMS4016

I would not have made the deal but calling it stupid is numerous bridges too far. There are a number of legitimate hockey reasons to make the deal that are reasonable.