Just agree to disagree and move on.
- sjk540

Where is the handshake line when you need it. This one has gone to 5OT.

Where is the handshake line when you need it. This one has gone to 5OT.
- NC Flyers Fan

where's Keith Primeau when ya need him?!

Yes, for the team who wanted to trade another pick to us, of course its completely independent of the Braun trade, that team didn't trade for Braun, we did!! Jesus, how nonsensical was including that in your answer?


- sjk540

You make me laugh with every reply. The point is that there is no way that Fletcher could know that he would be able to recoup a 2nd round pick at the draft. All he could know is that he would be willing to make a trade if the right situation presented itself.

Also, im not proving anything close to your point, although you seem to like ending your posts with a slick (or lack thereof) one liner or something along those lines to back up the nonsense of your entire point. how hard is it to understand, or to wrap your mind around the fact, that because Fletch lost an asset, he would try harder to recoup an asset the next week around one of the biggest events in hockey and where its 1 of 3 days the entire hockey year where the entire league historically sees the most trades? Is it really that far outside of the realm of possibility that if he doesn't trade away a 2nd, he doesn't try to look for another 2nd on one of those aforementioned days, but because he did spend an asset, he was focusing on or doing more work towards, researching other teams surplus's to form a plan for recouping that asset?

Just agree to disagree and move on.
- sjk540

Yes it is proving my point and with this response you prove it even further. You just don't realize it.

As far as your last sentence, take your own advice. You and another poster brought me back into this by calling me out in a post. Now you don't like the outcome.

Where is the handshake line when you need it. This one has gone to 5OT.
- NC Flyers Fan

Actually, this is just more post game comments. I crushed his ridiculous narrative weeks ago.

No, I did not say I could see the future, what is your deal? Can you read? My point is saying that Fletcher, not knowing the future, but making it a point to do research, and find a suitor who he thought would be in the position to want to move back in the draft, or would have assets to recoup a 2nd rounder. Nothing about crystal balls, nothing about telling the future or reading the future or seeing the future, nothing. its very simple, its like when you lose a player (via FA or trade or whatever) and you look ahead to see what similar types of player would become available in the future. Its just a plan, its something people put together so they aren't unprepared doing their job. very simple thing to understand, not sure what you're point is by saying im floating narratives or telling the future, thats not what im doing (clearly) at all.
- sjk540

More laughter. Where did I say anything about you seeing the future? Can you read?

Do I need to requote what you've posted in the past? You've posted multiple times that Fletcher KNEW he was going to be able to recoup a 2nd round pick at the draft. Now you're moving off of that and coming around which in essence refutes your own narrative. With every post you move off of your position you move closer and close to my position. The bottom line is that the cost of the trade to acquire Braun was a 2nd and a 3rd and that will never change. No matter how you want to spin it. The reason why you can't look at it as a net sum is because none of us know if even if the Braun trade wasn't made, that Fletcher still would've made the deal and added another 2nd rounder.

How times have changed.

How many games have you watched him play this year? How do we know that McDonald doesn't do much to improve the real issues of the defense? How come the Flyers don't know this, and that he's mediocre?
A 2nd and a 3rd for a top 4 defenseman is not an overpayment.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=115191&page=60

How times have changed.



https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=115191&page=60
- Feanor

Here is where you're going wrong. I have not once stated that the price paid for Braun was an overpayment. Nor have I said that he's not a good player or won't help the Flyers.

Back to the drawing board Feanor!

You make me laugh with every reply. The point is that there is no way that Fletcher could know that he would be able to recoup a 2nd round pick at the draft. All he could know is that he would be willing to make a trade if the right situation presented itself.




Yes it is proving my point and with this response you prove it even further. You just don't realize it.

As far as your last sentence, take your own advice. You and another poster brought me back into this by calling me out in a post. Now you don't like the outcome.
- MJL

thats all im (frank)ing saying, jesus. he was willing to make a trade if the right one presented itself but its a crazy notion that leading up to the draft he did a little more work in order to put himself in a better situation to make a trade for a 2nd. gosh, what a crazy notion, a GM did some more scouting and research prior to draft day. wow...

No it is not proving your point, not sure why you think so.

I dont like the outcome? Like me posting about you scares me or something? Listen to you, get off your high horse dude, jeez, you really are a piece of work. For the record, no one regrets calling you out or talking about your posts, and no one is scared when you are brought into a debate, honestly who do you think you are?

Here is where you're going wrong. I have not once stated that the price paid for Braun was an overpayment. Nor have I said that he's not a good player or won't help the Flyers.

Back to the drawing board Feanor!
- MJL

Then why don't like you the trade?

The Braun trade as it stands now, I don't like

thats all im (frank)ing saying, jesus. he was willing to make a trade if the right one presented itself but its a crazy notion that leading up to the draft he did a little more work in order to put himself in a better situation to make a trade for a 2nd. gosh, what a crazy notion, a GM did some more scouting and research prior to draft day. wow...

No it is not proving your point, not sure why you think so.

I dont like the outcome? Like me posting about you scares me or something? Listen to you, get off your high horse dude, jeez, you really are a piece of work. For the record, no one regrets calling you out or talking about your posts, and no one is scared when you are brought into a debate, honestly who do you think you are?
- sjk540

No, it's not what you said. Not at all.

More laughter. Where did I say anything about you seeing the future? Can you read?

Do I need to requote what you've posted in the past? You've posted multiple times that Fletcher KNEW he was going to be able to recoup a 2nd round pick at the draft. Now you're moving off of that and coming around which in essence refutes your own narrative. With every post you move off of your position you move closer and close to my position. The bottom line is that the cost of the trade to acquire Braun was a 2nd and a 3rd and that will never change. No matter how you want to spin it. The reason why you can't look at it as a net sum is because none of us know if even if the Braun trade wasn't made, that Fletcher still would've made the deal and added another 2nd rounder.
- MJL

find that then, find where i said the exact words, Fletcher KNEW he would get another pick. never ever said that. All ive ever said is that he went into the draft looking, more so after the trade, to TRY and recoup a pick. thank you for proving you are incapable of arguing against the point that i make but misconstruing my point to make it sound the way you want, and then arguing against that made up point. you're approaching the highest of pettiness i've ever experienced in my life and that is difficult to do when you work in hospitality.

Then why don't like you the trade?
- Feanor

I think the Flyers should be concentrating on developing players for the future. Having Braun is undoubtedly going to take ice time away from younger players as Vigneault is certainly going to rely on the veteran. I also preferred that they not buyout MacDonald and let the contract fully expire after this season.

As I have said many times, I do believe that adding Braun will help the current team.

find that then, find where i said the exact words, Fletcher KNEW he would get another pick. never ever said that. All ive ever said is that he went into the draft looking, more so after the trade, to TRY and recoup a pick. thank you for proving you are incapable of arguing against the point that i make but misconstruing my point to make it sound the way you want, and then arguing against that made up point. you're approaching the highest of pettiness i've ever experienced in my life and that is difficult to do when you work in hospitality.
- sjk540

Look for that later tonight.

Nothing was misconstrued. You're just dancing around now.

No, it's not what you said. Not at all.
- MJL

yes it is, very much so.

Since you claim to not think the Braun trade is overpayment, I guess you are talking about some other trade in this post that was made the same day the Flyers traded for Braun.

The way the Flyers are operating this off season signifies an about face away from the patient draft and develop strategy that they should remain using and placing more emphasis on winning now. That is troubling. Winning is quantifiable. If you want to make the playoffs and win a round as your goal, then by all means do what the Flyers are currently doing. If you want to build a sustainable championship caliber team that can contend over a 5-7 year period, then they're going about the wrong way in my opinion. You want to have assets including cap flexibility to make those key moves when your team is at that point of true contender status. That's when you make that veteran trade for future assets or sign that key UFA. Using those methods to get your team there is no smart in a cap era. You can wind up overpaying for something you didn't need at the right time and risking not being able to get what you really need.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=160236&page=5

Look for that later tonight.

Nothing was misconstrued. You're just dancing around now.
- MJL

Since you claim to not think the Braun trade is overpayment, I guess you are talking about some other trade here...
- Feanor

Come at me with something real! That was a statement in general and not specifically about the Braun deal. It was far more about Hayes than Braun.

I'm perfectly willing to discuss any of my statements or opinions with you.

Strike two!

- sjk540

This is the definition of petty!

This is the definition of petty!
- MJL

definition of petty = of little importance; trivial

i find that gif rather comical.

Now....me actually giving you the definition of petty, is in fact, petty.

Come at me with something real! That was a statement in general and not specifically about the Braun deal. It was far more about Hayes than Braun.
- MJL

So you admit it was partly about Braun.

And it was made the day of the Braun trade.

When caught in a lie or contradiction:

Lie
Deny
Twist
Redirect

So you admit it was partly about Braun.

And it was made the day of the Braun trade.
- Feanor

I did not admit that in any way. Do you care to discuss the actual content of the post?

Braun is under contract for one year. That alone pretty much eliminates him from the premise of the post.

Also go back and look at the page that you linked. The conversation was obviously about Patrick and discussing the center position. You failed to post the context of the conversation that was ongoing.

Strike three.

How times have changed.



https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=115191&page=60
- Feanor

Jesus how did you find this

We haven't seen some of those posters in years my god

Honestly I totally forgot Braun was on the team now

Jesus how did you find this
- bulet13

4th result in google for:

site:www.hockeybuzz.com trade macdonald